98Z5V Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 hours ago, MikedaddyH said: Guns And Gadgets nails it in this interview !!!! This is 11 months old, brother - published 11 months ago. And the timeline didn't quite work out according to BATFEs estimation. That's obviously because of the recent court decisions. They weren't ready to announce pistol brace shiit in Aug 2022, because of those decisions. They took the time to try to make those decisions "more sound" - which they're not sound at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, sketch said: The information presented in there over the ATF and FBI "spat" that happened... now the ATF conducts all checks, because FBI told them to fuk off... That's HUGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Mike Glover is firing back on another point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianK Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 I didn't know about the 88 days. But what I did get from the new rule was that it has to be registered in 120 days. Now maybe I'm misunderstanding that, or maybe it isn't being reported accurately, but if I submit a form I expect to be waiting for at least 6 months and probably much longer before I see my tax stamp. last I checked 120 days was approx' 4 months, so at the very best I'll miss the 120 days by 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BrianK said: I didn't know about the 88 days. But what I did get from the new rule was that it has to be registered in 120 days. Now maybe I'm misunderstanding that, or maybe it isn't being reported accurately, but if I submit a form I expect to be waiting for at least 6 months and probably much longer before I see my tax stamp. last I checked 120 days was approx' 4 months, so at the very best I'll miss the 120 days by 2 months. If there is 8 Eight people working the desk it would take 89 years to do 40 million approves for registered forms. 120 days is just not going to happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianK Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Exactly MikedaddyH! I expect the rule to be thrown out. But if not I'll pay the $200 and not be subject to the 120 day excrement. I'm working on converting my arm braced handguns to pure handguns and after I have the stamps in hand rebuild them. One is already converted, I need minor parts for the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 This video is about the bumpstock rule reversal, but he goes into how the same arguments are being made against the frames/receivers rule and the pistol brace rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianK Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 OK, so I made my last arm braced handgun legal in ATFs eyes. The big difference from a use standpoint? Before it stood up nicely in its ready position. Now it needs to be propped up so that it doesn't fall over. I'll make a stand for it. It's actually smaller and no less useable as an unbraced handgun so where is the logic? fjb; eff the BARF. The word I have from the local manufacturer and I don't remember how they came by it, is that a majority of agents wants to see SBRs taken out of the registry. That's a step in the right direction. Removing cans from the registry should also be done. We'll have to fight like hell for that. To get more is probably too much to ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianK Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Or maybe I didn't make it BARF safe? I was just on another forum and if it has a buffer tube that can be shouldered it's still a SBR? How does one make a AR handgun w/o a buffer tube? Yes, I know about ARs that are built differently but the vast majority use buffer tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 The buffer tube can not have any device on it to facilitate shouldering i think it can not be bigger than 1 inch so a bare buffer tube is fine BUT it can not have the notches etc to fit a stock on so it must be a pistol buffer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 I guess I should grit my teeth and read the crap for myself, seeing lots of different opinions on what works and what doesn't, the part of removal that calls out not readily re-installed keeps snagging up the round buffer tube idea, I could easily just slide the braces back on my early Sig factory guns so? I'm gonna cut off the bottom of a carbine tube till the latch holes are gone for good measure, and I have several extra. The "pistols" with recoil though.... do you sbr the 308 pistols? Most of what I have was intended for a grandkid someday anyway, the few that are old enough and want them might be getting free sbr's......... I was trying to explain it to my Mother, she offered her crawl space, "Nobody would ever look there." .............................I reminded her she has two Alexa's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 Part of the problem is the rule is written so vaguely that a plain pistol buffer tube could be interpreted as making the pistol a SBR. I have read the almost 300 pages twice. Pretty much if it has a buffer tube on it and they decide it's a SBR it's a SBR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, shooterrex said: Pretty much if it has a buffer tube on it and they decide it's a SBR it's a SBR. I think they like the power an ambiguous regulation gives them.... " Just cooperate sir and that pistol can stay a pistol". Is it actually active yet or still in the que? Any gun rights group worth it's salt should already have papers ready to file as soon as they have standing, it would be a slam dunk in a real justice system but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianK Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 It has a foam sleeve on it for cheeking, and also a single point sling to push it out against pressure. I think I'm good but who knows? I'm not doing any more to satisfy a vague law that's going to get thrown out. First they're good, then they're not. That's definitely entrapment. Let's see, 10M - 40M in the hands of users, I'd call that in common use. Vague "law" by unelected people who have already been told they can't make law. I think I'm good. Thanks for kicking it around gents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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98Z5V Posted January 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, BrianK said: It has a foam sleeve on it for cheeking, and also a single point sling to push it out against pressure. I think I'm good but who knows? I'm not doing any more to satisfy a vague law that's going to get thrown out. First they're good, then they're not. That's definitely entrapment. Let's see, 10M - 40M in the hands of users, I'd call that in common use. Vague "law" by unelected people who have already been told they can't make law. I think I'm good. Thanks for kicking it around gents! My sentiments, exactly. That good-not good-good again - now it's illegal... That already kicked them straight in the dick. Then, West Virginia Vs. EPA happened... And that changed everything for these .gov agencies. If WVa vs EPA is never overturned - then that's forever... Edited January 25, 2023 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 Call me a chickenschit but after my recent interactions with atf agents and the complaints I made I feel the need to keep schit tight, give myself everything possible to point to showing I tried to follow their mess just in case. I already have a trust but I'm not sure I want a safe full of sbr's and all that entails. If I had any faith in government operating correctly I might be able to tolerate the wait and see method....... I still haven't seen a bump stock back on the market, wouldn't that be irony if I could replace braces with 16 inch barrels and bump stocks, I'm not counting on any judge to save my pistol braces any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 On 1/24/2023 at 5:30 PM, Magwa said: The buffer tube can not have any device on it to facilitate shouldering i think it can not be bigger than 1 inch so a bare buffer tube is fine BUT it can not have the notches etc to fit a stock on so it must be a pistol buffer... If they're saying this now, then previous rulings/decisions are gonna bite them in the ass, pretty hard. They approved cane tips on the end of the pistol extension over a decade ago. This is gonna go miserably for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 6:52 PM, 98Z5V said: If they're saying this now, then previous rulings/decisions are gonna bite them in the ass, pretty hard. They approved cane tips on the end of the pistol extension over a decade ago. This is gonna go miserably for them. I Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpete Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Interesting read. https://gatdaily.com/goa-raises-alarms-that-atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-may-be-dangerous/?utm_source=GATdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1_28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 The lawsuits and challenges need to start piling up fast. As Fuk. Would be good if our lawmakers - the ones that actually ARE ON THE HOOK for this kind of legislation, kicked it into high gear, and smacked this agency down, a'la West Virginia Vs. EPA - but I doubt they'll do it. This is THEIR wheelhouse, and they need to defend it. Against an Administrative Agency, only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 Up next, pistol grip shotguns; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 An example of $800 of SBR revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, MikedaddyH said: An example of $800 of SBR revenue. An example of $10,000 that gets seized, when they fuk you over and 88-day you, and take your hardware... Change My Mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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