beeks Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 http://www.kearms.com/ar10-80-lower-raw Anyone used one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelDeVille Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I thought the whole point of "service rifle" classes were to keep the rifle as close to "as issued" as possible. Not just to make poop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guruofhotrod Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Ya , I don't believe any of them came with Carrie handles . The AR 15/M16 Carrie handle should work , with a railed gas block & BUIS . Thats some strange rules , probably just to keep Iron sight matches . The swivel ? Most use Slings , so I guess you need a Sling Swivel <dontknow> Looks like they made the rules as close to the M16 rules as they could . Surprised the left the FF Hand Guard in there ! <laughs> I think this would be the appropriate carry handle for the large frame AR: http://www.jsesurplus.com/dpmsdetachablecarryhandlewitha2rearsightlr-308.aspx I picked up a used one and installed it on my 16" barreled 308 build: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) http://www.kearms.com/ar10-80-lower-raw Anyone used one of these? Not to many members here use 80% lowers. Generally because it will end up costing more than a finished one of better quality although with you being a machinist I can totally understand that you just enjoy doing it. Tactical Machining has a good reputation for quality > http://tinyurl.com/newzxx7 308AR - 80% lower threads> http://forum.308ar.com/forum/72-80-lowers/ Edited May 30, 2015 by BLKSHEEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I thought the whole point of "service rifle" classes were to keep the rifle as close to "as issued" as possible. Not just to make poop up. I heard one of the armed forces really pushed to get the M110 okayed. Although the rules seem rather open, I think what they intended to make legal is a M110 with scope and bipod removed and replaced with a handle and sights. For service rifle competition the AR15 is clearly the choice of the champions. Most competitors think even the thought of using a M110 is a bad idea. I look at it a little differently. I think our local little service rifle league is just a tool to get better with my rifle and have a little fun. Someday I hope to get a little more competitive at which time I'll put together a match grade AR15 and my M110 (wannabe) will be my backup sercice rifle (along with use in other types of matches). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I saw the Tatical Machining receivers. It doesn't say what they are made of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Sounds like any off the shelf commercial 308-AR will be OK. I would hope that is the case. I run the MK11 Mod 0 and trained with the Mod2 and while they are good weapons, they are nothing I would want to mimic too closely if I were building a rifle to compete with. Of course it has to be within guidelines. Drop the coin on an OBR...sounds like that would work. Edited May 30, 2015 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I saw the Tatical Machining receivers. It doesn't say what they are made of. Product Overview The TM-10 lower receiver is designed to fit the .308 Winchester or 7.62x51 NATO round. This is the full weight version of the AR-15. This lower receiver is compatible with DPMS platform upper receivers and is made from 7075-T6 aluminum. Description The TM-308 stripped upper receiver is made from 7075 aluminum. It starts off as a billet and is machined to our specifications. It is then hard coat anodized and the inside of the receiver is Teflon coated. These are designed to fit dpms style .308 lower receivers. Their verbiage is kind of vague but I'm fairly certain that the receivers are machined from "forged" 7075-T6 aluminum, which is very common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaRKle! Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Their verbiage is kind of vague but I'm fairly certain that the receivers are machined from "forged" 7075-T6 aluminum, which is very common. Well the upper description clearly says that it's a billet. The lower could be too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 The way I've always understood it there's 3 ways to make AR receivers #1 - Cast, molten aluminum poured into a mold. #2 - Forged, Billet aluminum forged into the shape of the receiver(this produces the strongest receivers.) #3 - Billet, made from extruded bar stock & completely CMC machined. I's this not correct? I see many adds claiming that their receivers are made from 7075 T-6 Billet aluminum which leads most people to think of Billet extruded bar stock. But when you dig a lil deeper many times you'll find that it's actually "forged" from billet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 In my opinion as a Machinist, cast aluminum isn't very good. I haven't seen a 308ar receiver made out of it and I'd highly recommend avoiding it if you did find one. In aluminum I don't think there would be a lot of difference between forged and billet. I really don't know anything about forging aluminum though. 6061 should be sufficient, but 7075 is a big step up and the price usually reflects this. Thanks for finding out what the Tactical Machining receivers are made of for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Forged, supposedly has a harder surface than the billet. It's also generally a bit lighter weight. Billet gets special features that can't be built into a forged receiver... like ambi controls or flared magwells... and they look cool. Neither is "better" per se Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Woody is a bueaty but no goody.White Oak Armament NM upper pinned rear sight.The only things out of spec. are CH [Tac-ops],Ambi selector [bAD],and pistol grip Moe+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I've heard really good things about White Oak .223's. I don't see any .308's on their site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 The first decision I need to make is Armalite or DPMS style parts. What are the pro's and cons of each? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 There are 10x more DPMS compatible parts than Armalite. Armalite parts are always high quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Beta v. VHS... Original or more parts and compatiblity. Your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeks Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 It Begins! I just ordered an Aero Precision receiver set. http://www.schuylerarmsco.com/product.m5-308-stripped-receiver-set-fde-cerakote-993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) DPMS.......because who wants inferior parts????? Edited June 6, 2015 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Now, do I really need to chime in here? One more......and you're off of the next mission. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 One more......and you're off of the next mission. <laughs> I take it all back.....put me in coach..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Dude! You know that you're in. Every OP needs someone to "watch". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Never go full retard boys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 You're one to talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 ....he's on fire. Nice shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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