JJ109 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 http://www.defensereview.com/patriot-ordnance-factory-pof-usa-p-300-also-written-p300-300-win-mag-300wm-tactical-piston-ar-riflecarbine-serious-semi-auto-ar-hitting-power-video/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, JJ109 said: http://www.defensereview.com/patriot-ordnance-factory-pof-usa-p-300-also-written-p300-300-win-mag-300wm-tactical-piston-ar-riflecarbine-serious-semi-auto-ar-hitting-power-video/ Premature review, they have never fired the weapon, don't know the basics about it like weight, but then declare it a winner............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ109 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2014/01/14/miller-precision-arms-mpa300-guardian/ There are some options LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Robocop1051 said: I've known NEMO/SI-Defense/Falkor for some time now. They make great products. I don't know anyone that can afford their newer stuff. As good as they are, they might be priced out of the market. Didn't see the firearms prices, but $475 for a ten pack of 14 shot mags? ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ109 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 18 hours ago, Bates said: Thanks, the recoil from a 338 doesn't bother me as long as I'm stationery and shooting single rounds but when these bastards come out my scope just likes to rearrange my face...I'm no puss but that crap hurts! Thanks everyone for the help..!!! Smartass's too...lol http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predator-hunting/hogs/bowhunting-hogs-with-the-300-blk/ Bates sorry for jacking your post, got a little off topic. This is a great article on hunting hogs with 300BLK Out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bates Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 21 hours ago, washguy said: Bates why not a 6.8 or a 300 blackout for the pigs and deer.....300 blackout heck yes, light recoil , really rapid follow up shots... 30 cal..build it for cheap.... Wash When it comes to these tactical weapons I'm clueless with it. I thought about AR15's but after the last few hunts, it took us a while to find pigs post the shooting. So I tried with a LR308 and I fell in love with it. Then I see all the accessories for it plus the recoil reduction. So I'm open to anything at this point, I like the tactical look. I was a traditional pay out the ass for a nice fancy rifle that shoots one round at a time but if you want follow up shots, it will re-arrange your face real quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bates Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 21 hours ago, ARTrooper said: ok, well first of all, I would say those barrels are around 22" or so. if you are going to be stalking and shooting within 300 yards, definitely don't need such a long barrel. even 16 in barrels can put rounds accurately down range at over 600 yards if it is a good build and you have the ability to shoot that well. and the scope on the bottom one especially is not very functional for hunting, it's more a target or just straight up long range scope where you are either going to be sitting at a bench or in the prone. those barrels are also bull barrels, nice and rigid and takes longer to heat up, but heavier than need be since seems like you will be firing maybe 5 shots and actually be carrying this rifle. and I am a fan of bull barrels, just don't think you need one for what you are looking for. the rifles in the pictures are going to be heavier than you need. OK, so what would you do if you were in my shoes and was looking for a rifle in caliber large enough to consecutively and repeatedly take a hog down with single shots? I think .308 is perfect. It gives me the ability to reach a target far with enough velocity and power to take it down though the range. I started looking into the LR-308's. 18-20" barrel, was actually thinking about a bull barrels, I like the profile of them and size, weight will help with recoil, m4-72 muzzle, magpul PRS stock...and a nice tactical or maybe a ATN scope so I can record the hunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Bates said: OK, so what would you do if you were in my shoes and was looking for a rifle in caliber large enough to consecutively and repeatedly take a hog down with single shots? I think .308 is perfect. It gives me the ability to reach a target far with enough velocity and power to take it down though the range. I started looking into the LR-308's. 18-20" barrel, was actually thinking about a bull barrels, I like the profile of them and size, weight will help with recoil, m4-72 muzzle, magpul PRS stock...and a nice tactical or maybe a ATN scope so I can record the hunts. 18 - 20" HBAR .308 is perfect for what you're describing. Add pretty much any muzzle brake with good reviews and your recoil will be as tame as you could want. The weight and rigidity inherent to this platform (plus the fact that it's a semi-auto) make overall recoil negligible as a general rule anyways. As long as your eye relief is right, scope eye won't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) My take is 18 inches max...nice medium contour on the barrel...and a nice light weight build..less mass in the bcg less recoil..dont need a heavy prs stock ..you want follow up shots...you need a light build that swings easy...lightweight doesnt mean recoil at all...bull barrel...nope....heavy azz stock..nope....nice light high quality hand guard Wash Edited October 17, 2016 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 These SOBs get really heavy really fast. If you have the luxury of hunting from a tree stand, or a blind, or you look like Thor, then don't worry about it. If you plan on humpin that boomstick through the woods, you'd better plan your build out with that in mind. I haven't bought or built a rifle with longer than a 16" barrel in years. No need. Last few barrels were 14.5" pencil contour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 hours ago, washguy said: My take is 18 inches max...nice medium contour on the barrel...and a nice light weight build..less mass in the bcg less recoil..dont need a heavy prs stock ..you want follow up shots...you need a light build that swings easy...lightweight doesnt mean recoil at all...bull barrel...nope....heavy azz stock..nope....nice light high quality hand guard Wash I am 100% wash. I myself haven't hunted hogs before, but seems like you need something light and fast. what Wash described is exactly what I had in mind. .308 is the perfect round I think for hogs, sure 300 blackout can take them out. but what if you had to pass some up because you couldn't get close enough to get a humane shot? .308 you wont have that problem, plus it has one of the widest range of bullet sizes, shoot anything and everything with it basically. 2 hours ago, Bates said: I think .308 is perfect. It gives me the ability to reach a target far with enough velocity and power to take it down though the range. I started looking into the LR-308's. 18-20" barrel, was actually thinking about a bull barrels, I like the profile of them and size, weight will help with recoil, m4-72 muzzle, magpul PRS stock...and a nice tactical or maybe a ATN scope so I can record the hunts. yes to the .308 16-18" barrel medium contour the m4-72 compensator should be good no to magpul PRS stock, they are heavier, plus you could benefit from having a lighter collapsible stock. as for ATN scopes, I don't know much about them, but seeing as speed is key, make sure it has good eye relief so you can quickly get on your glass without having to burry your eye deep into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Vortex and primary arms have good reviews and resonable prices.. For optics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 As for recording bubasks made his own camera phone mount and there are several on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Hmmmmmmmmmmm stalking huh? ok then weight will make a difference , your 338 should not scope you if the scope is set up right but in any case you do not want more than a 16 inch barrel you can kill a hog sized target to 450 no problem . keep the accessories to a minimum use a carbon fiber hand guard and I would use a carbine stock makes it alot easier to adjust for clothing or a pack or whatever, put a ACC brakeout on the end and get to killin hogs this is no rocket science shoot 168 barnes TTSX and you are good to go you could build the whole thing for under 2 grand, it will look kinda like this and it will do this... all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 When it comes to killing beasts with a 308AR, @Magwa may be our #1 source of information on that topic. He's been filling his freezer every year, all year, as long as we've known him... and he does it with that lightweight rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bates Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 10 hours ago, Matt.Cross said: 18 - 20" HBAR .308 is perfect for what you're describing. Add pretty much any muzzle brake with good reviews and your recoil will be as tame as you could want. The weight and rigidity inherent to this platform (plus the fact that it's a semi-auto) make overall recoil negligible as a general rule anyways. As long as your eye relief is right, scope eye won't be an issue. It's not that it scopes me when I'm setup. If I'm stalking and I set myself up properly or I'm in a blind, then there are no issues. However when walking up to pigs more often then not you literally walk up on them or they walk up on you, my 338 has a very large scope. The setup is designed for single shot or maybe a followup shot but down range. When pigs run post the initial shot I basically shot as soon as target in focus. Sometime the rush, the bigs, the adrenaline, the 338 200gr, when its all packaged together in a small little bundle its a recipe for disaster and my face ends up paying for it. I've always laughed at people who scope themselves but when being stupid or dumb, this is legit hunt and when in a rush it sucks!!! So I need a semi, looking for something tactical so like ARTrooper said, something light maybe a Bull barrel is too much, 16-18 barrel...I'll look for a decent platform to build off of or if there is a site where I can go and just build one there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 there are many places to get decent platforms and you don't have to pay an arm and a leg. http://www.fulton-armory.com/lowerreceivertitanstrippedfflrequired-2.aspx http://aeroprecisionusa.com/m5-assembled-upper-receiver.html usually they have matching sets, but they must be out of stock right now two great brands that are affordable, but there are many others out there. I also like Magwa's idea for a carbon fiber handguard to keep the weight down. you don't need a gazillion rails on a super long handguard that just adds extra weight that wont benefit you. many good choices of light weight free floating handguards whether they are carbon fiber or aluminum. http://criterionbarrels.com/ http://columbiariverarms.com/ two good choices for affordable barrels, again many others out there. I myself prefer stainless steel. maybe for a stock just use a lightweight magpul moe carbine stock the hard part isn't finding things that can be used, it is choosing from all the options. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Bates the perfect Ar308 will have a suppressor on the 16" barrel. My best bud uses one when he stalks hogs in S Texas. He also uses subsonic rounds. when they come up on a bunch of hogs he gets set up and starts popping them and they hardly notice whats going on around them...they dont hear the rifle nor the bullets...the best hes done is 7 at one time.....so if you are stalking, and yes I have too...the can is what makes it perfect. Those suckers can do 0 to 40 in a blink. I bet you are pretty unsuccessful with that big ol piece and a scope thats not made for your type of hunting. Scoped? Thats ridiculous...you either have the wrong technique or the scope is not properly mounted... Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 IMHO hunting hogs or any North America game (maybe the exception of grizz or moose) with a 338LM is a little over kill anyways, unless your reaching out and touching them. Think the last few points have been on point and also maybe re think your optics, as someone said go with something you can get on target quick with like a holographic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't think a holographic is necessary shepp, many scopes have better eye relief that ACOGs. a decent scope with good eye relief and 3-9 power would work good as long as you kept it on the low setting unless ready for a long shot. heck, even 1-6 would work great. my opinion is holographic, red dots, and ACOGs are a waste of money... and I have used them a lot, but just never liked them as much as a good scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 35 minutes ago, ARTrooper said: I don't think a holographic is necessary shepp, many scopes have better eye relief that ACOGs. a decent scope with good eye relief and 3-9 power would work good as long as you kept it on the low setting unless ready for a long shot. heck, even 1-6 would work great. my opinion is holographic, red dots, and ACOGs are a waste of money... and I have used them a lot, but just never liked them as much as a good scope. You maybe right I had a vortex strike fire I didn't like the picture I got thru it, I've shot a buddies ACOG also felt the same but didn't completely write it off because it was well used seeing war time. Actually after seeing a demo on primary arms of their 1-6x24 ACSS scope that's my choice for my current "build" because of the fact of its diversity in range. Before I had found that I was going to go with their red dot after using 98's when I was in Az Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I have two Bushnell tactical elite 1-6 power and love them. No problem shooting 300 yards and on 1x they are like running a red dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, jtallen83 said: I have two Bushnell tactical elite 1-6 power and love them. No problem shooting 300 yards and on 1x they are like running a red dot. That's what appealed to me with this PA im looking at plus their ACSS redical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Trooper and JT you are both right on....I myself have a vortex 1x4 pst on my blackout...you can treat it as though you were using an eotech...both eyes open,but I was taking the OP's posting about getting "scoped" a lot. He prolly has developed bad habits, and fears a scope from his being "scoped'....so thats why I suggested a holographic....I dont think its possible to get "scoped" from one of those? Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Bates Here's a 308AR , 18" med. contour Hybrid Criterion S/S , Nitrated Barrel with DD Brake, with Magpul MOE Rifle stock , JP 12.5" Hand guard , & Nikon Buckmasters 6x18x40 scope for you to look at . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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