Guy shoots and kills moose with Glock

[JF89]

Do you guys consider this a clean shoot? I dont, kind of pissed me off at first  but a lot of people say he was "defending himself". Seems to me, like he was looking for a reason to shoot the moose.

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2018 by JF89

[Alan Waters]

As former law enforcement officer, I would call that a good shooting.

[jtallen83]

Good shoot.

[Magwa]

That is a clean shoot they will stomp your ass in the snow and kill you she was coming back for the 3rd time the second time she wacked at him with her front hooves she meant business

[Alan Waters]

As former law enforcement officer, I would call that a good shooting. May not get a second chance to chamber a round at the gas pumps.

[98Z5V]

1 hour ago, Magwa said:

That is a clean shoot they will stomp your ass in the snow and kill you

Yes, they will.  We steered clear of them as much as possible in Alaska, because we were ordered that we could NOT shoot them...  They will fuk you up, and stomp you straight to death...

[Rsquared]

I've said a thousand times how I don't even like two-leggers in this world. Anything with more or less than two legs is fair game in my book, at any time.

Now.....where are those fukin squirrels that chewed on my trucks' wire harness? They're turning into a red mist when I find them. Suppressed of course.

[ARTrooper]

17 hours ago, JF89 said:

Seems to me, like he was looking for a reason to shoot the moose.

Can I ask why you think he was looking for a reason to shoot the moose? the thing charged him not once, but twice. the second time making contact with him. the guy was lucky it was a small one that didn't just run him right over. 

And if you are one of the people thinking the snowmobiles could go around the moose, that might not be possible. often times snowmobiles can cat stuck in thick powder if they go off the trails and then the guys would of been in a worse situation. 

When looking at deadly force situations in a law enforcement situation, we look at 3 things. Intent, ability, and means. The moose had the intent to inflict death or great bodily harm by charging twice and appearing to prepare for a 3rd charge. It had the ability to inflict death or great bodily harm by its size and strength, not to mention the hooves and strong head. and finally the moose had the means to inflict death or great bodily harm due to its close proximity to the people. 

Another thing we look at in law enforcement is, would a reasonable person in a similar situation react in the same or similar way. now we can't compare someone who lives in a city and has never seen a moose. we would need apples to apples, not apples to oranges. I for one have never seen a moose in the wild. but I know from what I have seen in Wisconsin that a 120 to 200 pound deer can be deadly. so based on my experience I could argue that if I encountered a 600-1000 pound moose or more, I would react in the same way, probably sooner than the guy in the video did. 

[JF89]

27 minutes ago, ARTrooper said:

Can I ask why you think he was looking for a reason to shoot the moose? the thing charged him not once, but twice. the second time making contact with him. the guy was lucky it was a small one that didn't just run him right over. 

And if you are one of the people thinking the snowmobiles could go around the moose, that might not be possible. often times snowmobiles can cat stuck in thick powder if they go off the trails and then the guys would of been in a worse situation. 

When looking at deadly force situations in a law enforcement situation, we look at 3 things. Intent, ability, and means. The moose had the intent to inflict death or great bodily harm by charging twice and appearing to prepare for a 3rd charge. It had the ability to inflict death or great bodily harm by its size and strength, not to mention the hooves and strong head. and finally the moose had the means to inflict death or great bodily harm due to its close proximity to the people. 

Another thing we look at in law enforcement is, would a reasonable person in a similar situation react in the same or similar way. now we can't compare someone who lives in a city and has never seen a moose. we would need apples to apples, not apples to oranges. I for one have never seen a moose in the wild. but I know from what I have seen in Wisconsin that a 120 to 200 pound deer can be deadly. so based on my experience I could argue that if I encountered a 600-1000 pound moose or more, I would react in the same way, probably sooner than the guy in the video did. 

He was riding the moose, it warned him to back off and he kept going foreward. Maybe he was justified but I wouldve handled it different. He couldve backed up a bit then popped a few warning shots off and there is a good chance it wouldve ran instead of get defensive. 

[ARTrooper]

7 minutes ago, JF89 said:

He was riding the moose, it warned him to back off and he kept going foreward. Maybe he was justified but I wouldve handled it different. He couldve backed up a bit then popped a few warning shots off and there is a good chance it wouldve ran instead of get defensive. 

The guy yelling and a big loud machine often times is enough to move animals off a trail. Most snowmobiles don't go in reverse. And warning shots are a joke when it comes to dangerous game. 

[jtallen83]

Warning shots are for Hollywood productions not real life. A firearm should not be pulled if there is not the intention and the need to use it.

[ARTrooper]

1 minute ago, jtallen83 said:

Warning shots are for Hollywood productions not real life. A firearm should not be pulled if there is not the intention and the need to use it.

True dat

[JF89]

2 minutes ago, ARTrooper said:

The guy yelling and a big loud machine often times is enough to move animals off a trail. Most snowmobiles don't go in reverse. And warning shots are a joke when it comes to dangerous game. 

Its also not a good idea to keep going towards the creature that is warning you to back off. He shouldve stopped , not kept pushing foreward towards it. A 9mm is also louder than a snow mobile, if he wouldve hung back there wouldve been enough of a gap to do something besides engage the moose. IMO, this was a sketchy shoot. I wont say it was completely wrong but its not how I wouldve handled it. 

[JF89]

2 minutes ago, jtallen83 said:

Warning shots are for Hollywood productions not real life. A firearm should not be pulled if there is not the intention and the need to use it.

Fair enough, I have scared black bear ,coyote and even a mountain lion out of my yard  with a warning shot. Scaring animals away is a real thing, guns do that effectively. Maybe , if not warning shots then hang back, the moose was going the opposite direction from him and was trying  leave. Literally 5 min of staying still and it wouldve continued walking away. 

 

 

[jtallen83]

2 minutes ago, JF89 said:

Fair enough, I have scared black bear ,coyote and even a mountain lion out of my yard  with a warning shot. Scaring animals away is a real thing, guns do that effectively. Maybe , if not warning shots then hang back, the moose was going the opposite direction from him and was trying  leave. Literally 5 min of staying still and it wouldve continued walking away. 

 

 

You need to get yourself a starter pistol or use firecrackers. 

[JF89]

You know , after watching it more it couldve been a clean shoot but he shouldve used common sense and not approached the moose, imo.

His life was in danger before he fired his gun.

[JF89]

4 minutes ago, jtallen83 said:

You need to get yourself a starter pistol or use firecrackers. 

 Lol I dont do it out in the woods either, only did it when I thought there was something out in the yard. Dogs wouldve worked better lol.

When out in the woods I am more concerned about the meth monkies than any wildlife

Edited November 12, 2018 by JF89

[ARTrooper]

We can Monday morning quarter back this and most life events all day long. But the fact is, the guy defended himself from an animal that meant him harm. he went home to his family and the moose ended up being a meal for someone or something. circle of life/survival. Nothing in those few high stress seconds while you are full of adrenaline is ever perfect.

[sketch]

dont waste ammo buy a bigger pistol like something in .44 mag!! ?  looks like well placed warning shots! 

[JF89]

Like I said, his life was in danger when he opened fire which makes it a clean shoot. Ive lived in Oregon too long, I have some of that PETA /SJW/ hippie rage showing through sometimes.

[Sisco]

One, he’s a stupid SOB. Once he saw that moose he NEVER should have advanced on it. Stay still. If necessary make noise. Once he advanced on the snowmobile he idicated to the moose he was looking for a confrontation. When it charged him twice he had no choice but to shoot it in self defense. But he could most likely have avoided it. His own stupidity gave him no choice but to kill it. I have run into moose a lot and never had to plug one. Almost got run over by a bull backpacking in northern Minnesota. It was being chased by a dog. Had another kick and dent my canoe once. If it had come back a second time, I would have plugged it, but it didn’t.

[survivalshop]

 The Snowmobiler  could have waited a bit , I think he pushed the animal too , but what I wonder is , did someone go back for the meat or to check to make sure the animal was not just wounded ?

Edited November 13, 2018 by survivalshop

[Magwa]

Ok guys lets look at this from the he could have  point of view...yes the death of the moose could have been avoided but is that reasonable,it is like asking why do most people carry a gun with one NOT in the pipe. OK yes he crowded the moose when first seen he should have turned off the snow cat and just waited for the moose to wander off but he didn,t AND both of them were in a snow cat trail hard packed where the machine could go and the moose could walk. BUT also the machine going up the trail would scare off most moose BUT this one was not having any of it ...I snow cat a lot I would have done it different BUT it could still go either way the guy allowed two charges then fired on the third i still say it was a clean shoot because I was not there and it is plain to see if you know anything about big game he was going to get stomped,,,, to many buts & ands sometime you just have to do what you feel you have to.....

[bubbas4570]

7 hours ago, Magwa said:

Ok guys lets look at this from the he could have  point of view...yes the death of the moose could have been avoided but is that reasonable,it is like asking why do most people carry a gun with one NOT in the pipe. OK yes he crowded the moose when first seen he should have turned off the snow cat and just waited for the moose to wander off but he didn,t AND both of them were in a snow cat trail hard packed where the machine could go and the moose could walk. BUT also the machine going up the trail would scare off most moose BUT this one was not having any of it ...I snow cat a lot I would have done it different BUT it could still go either way the guy allowed two charges then fired on the third i still say it was a clean shoot because I was not there and it is plain to see if you know anything about big game he was going to get stomped,,,, to many buts & ands sometime you just have to do what you feel you have to.....

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[AMERIKINSHIP]

Good shoot. Could have went differently had other choices been made, but good shoot nonetheless.

 

After spotting it I probably would have sat for a minute or two and then made my own tracks off the trail if it didn't wander off the other way. I don't carry with an empty chamber in the backcountry myself, but if I were carrying that way I sure as poop would have chambered a round right after seeing the moose. That 2nd charge would have sealed that animals fate, if not the first.......