Armalite 2-Stage National Match Trigger set

[98Z5V]

I know you guys hear me raving about the Geissele triggers all the time, plus a few others.  One I talk about every chance I get is the Armalite 2-Stage National Match trigger (P/N 10309050). 

 

Full retail on the trigger is $145, but you can find it a few dollars cheaper from some online vendors, when you look.

 

Without money as a consideration, I will always look at a Geissele trigger first.  No matter what your intention (intended use) is for a trigger, Geissele makes what you're looking for, and the trigger will always perform exactly as they say it will.  You will also have unrivaled customer support if there is something that you don't like about your G trigger - just call them up.

 

Now, in reality, money IS a consideration.  More often than not, it has to be THE consideration.  The pricing for this Armalite trigger is pretty good, and the trigger is more than pretty good - it's a damn great trigger. 

 

Before anyone gets started on "every other company's National Match trigger," let me just say something - this one isn't the same as a CMMG, RRA, other...  The quality of it is much better, and it's got some pretty simple adjustment features built in.  Outside of the internet stories of RRA NM triggers going soft, I've never personally shot one - for the reason of those very stories.  However, right here on this site, we heard an account recently of an RRA going soft and losing it's second stage...  Food for thought...

 

 

This up there ^^^ is the main feature for the adjustability function in this trigger set.  See those three tabs on the sides of the disconnector?  The disconnector has an additional spring that fits into those tabs, and each tab UP that you go is appriximately a 1 lb reduction in trigger pull weight.  So, in a nutshell, from the bottom position you can adjust UP to a 2 lb reduction.  By adjusting that spring position, you adjust the tension (or "drag") that the disconnector has on the hammer, thus changing the trigger pull weight...

 

There's an Armalite Tech Note that further describes an additional adjustment process, to further reduce pull weight beyond that top spring setting.  I performed this immediately after installing this trigger (made the max reduction in pull weight, with the additional step in the Tech Note), and I can tell you that it works, very, very well. 

 

The trigger started out in my Mk12 Mod 0 build:

 

 

 

Ultimately, the trigger that was destined for that rifle was the Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger, so the Armalite NM trigger came out.  The Armalite trigger will now and forever live in the 300 BLK rifle.  I will never replace it with anything else, in that rifle.

 

 

 

Here's the Armalite Tech Note (Tech Note 68) in the additional adjustment that you can make - it's titled for the 2-Stage Tactical Trigger, but further down in the doc is states it's for both trigger setups, with the National Match Trigger included for the Tech Note:

 

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%20Notes%5CTech%20Note%2068,%20Tuning%20the%20ArmaLite%20Tactical%20Two%20Stage%20Trigger.pdf

[Zebra644]

I use this trigger on one of my builds that I stole from my SASS, its a very nice trigger. 

Edited February 21, 2014 by Zebra644

[BLKSHEEP]

Great info right there 98! I'll probably use that trigger in my AR15 build.

[Rsquared]

I would comment. But then people would just say "there he goes again". <lmao>

[BLKSHEEP]

Great info right there 98! I'll probably use that trigger in my AR15 build.

Or buy the Geissele Hi Speed DMR to replace the SSA-E in my 308 & install the SSA-E in the mouse gun >:D

[98Z5V]

I would comment. But then people would just say "there he goes again". <lmao>

 

 

"...like he always does..."  <laughs> <thumbsup>

Edited January 31, 2014 by 98Z5V

[blue109]

"...like he always does..." <laughs> <thumbsup>

Like Al sharpton blaming white people. Like fienstien blaming guns. Like a CMMG owner blaming ammo...

:D

[survivalshop]

I would comment. But then people would just say "there he goes again". <lmao>

I'm surprised it came from 98 & not you. <laughs>

Edited January 31, 2014 by survivalshop

[imschur]

nice Tom

[98Z5V]

My Armalite Tech Note 68 link in the first post isn't working anymore.  I've attached it, below, as a PDF document.

 

 

Tech Notes_2015_Tech Note 68, Tuning the ArmaLite Tactical Two Stage Trigger.pdf

[Masakari]

I agree that these triggers are nice. I've always been a single stage GI AR trigger guy, but when I got my AR10B with one of these in it, I began to like it. While I wont be changing my other triggers, I'll be keeping this one in my 10B... reminds me of the M14 trigger. It has a finesse to it.

[Rsquared]

I still have to hate you Masakari. <lmao>

[BigP623]

I dropped in the group buy trigger in my 10 and discovered mine had this trigger in it.  I then put this in my 300 build for an upgrade to that one.  Its a nice factory trigger.

 

I was kinda wondering what that extra spring and the adjustment notches were for thanks for the clarification.

Edited June 16, 2015 by BigP623

[Sisco]

Couldn't agree more. My AR10T has the Armalite National Match and it is going to stay there. Just got a GS2 though for my AR10 standard.

[Rsquared]

BigP. Just be sure that it's the "match" trigger. Cause all of the traditional Armalite 10B's come with the standard 2-stage combat trigger. If you had a 10T, or a 10 SASS.....it has the match trigger. Otherwise, it probably has the standard 2-stage. Don't get me wrong. I like that trigger, and run that one in a couple of the 10's that I have.

 

Just pointing that out for you brother.

[98Z5V]

Bump...  from the days of old. Saw someone reading it... 

[survivalshop]

6 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Bump...  from the days of old. Saw someone reading it... 

 Well you made me look 

[lilmidtown]

On 1/30/2014 at 1:58 PM, 98Z5V said:

I know you guys hear me raving about the Geissele triggers all the time, plus a few others.  One I talk about every chance I get is the Armalite 2-Stage National Match trigger (P/N 10309050). 

 

Full retail on the trigger is $145, but you can find it a few dollars cheaper from some online vendors, when you look.

 

Without money as a consideration, I will always look at a Geissele trigger first.  No matter what your intention (intended use) is for a trigger, Geissele makes what you're looking for, and the trigger will always perform exactly as they say it will.  You will also have unrivaled customer support if there is something that you don't like about your G trigger - just call them up.

 

Now, in reality, money IS a consideration.  More often than not, it has to be THE consideration.  The pricing for this Armalite trigger is pretty good, and the trigger is more than pretty good - it's a damn great trigger. 

 

Before anyone gets started on "every other company's National Match trigger," let me just say something - this one isn't the same as a CMMG, RRA, other...  The quality of it is much better, and it's got some pretty simple adjustment features built in.  Outside of the internet stories of RRA NM triggers going soft, I've never personally shot one - for the reason of those very stories.  However, right here on this site, we heard an account recently of an RRA going soft and losing it's second stage...  Food for thought...

 

 

This up there ^^^ is the main feature for the adjustability function in this trigger set.  See those three tabs on the sides of the disconnector?  The disconnector has an additional spring that fits into those tabs, and each tab UP that you go is appriximately a 1 lb reduction in trigger pull weight.  So, in a nutshell, from the bottom position you can adjust UP to a 2 lb reduction.  By adjusting that spring position, you adjust the tension (or "drag") that the disconnector has on the hammer, thus changing the trigger pull weight...

 

There's an Armalite Tech Note that further describes an additional adjustment process, to further reduce pull weight beyond that top spring setting.  I performed this immediately after installing this trigger (made the max reduction in pull weight, with the additional step in the Tech Note), and I can tell you that it works, very, very well. 

 

The trigger started out in my Mk12 Mod 0 build:

 

 

 

Ultimately, the trigger that was destined for that rifle was the Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger, so the Armalite NM trigger came out.  The Armalite trigger will now and forever live in the 300 BLK rifle.  I will never replace it with anything else, in that rifle.

 

 

 

Here's the Armalite Tech Note (Tech Note 68) in the additional adjustment that you can make - it's titled for the 2-Stage Tactical Trigger, but further down in the doc is states it's for both trigger setups, with the National Match Trigger included for the Tech Note:

 

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%20Notes%5CTech%20Note%2068,%20Tuning%20the%20ArmaLite%20Tactical%20Two%20Stage%20Trigger.pdf

Thanks KS for the info I was look at alot of G triggers you can use the same ar15 triggers in your ar10 I believe but I have an armalite rifle so maybe I'll stick with them. I'm going for a battle rifle set up

[jtallen83]

Take a look at the LaRue MBT trigger, great trigger for the money, every bit as good an the SSA and cheaper;

https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger/

Several around here have one or more, I have three myself.

[Robocop1051]

My $0.02

the ALG ACT far exceeds it’s quality for the price. 

[98Z5V]

Trigger choice is going to come down to what you primarily intend to use the rifle for - because alot of triggers out there will "do everything" well, but excel for what they were designed to do.  Primary use of the rifle will determine the primary feature you go for in a trigger package.

[unforgiven]

15 hours ago, Robocop1051 said:

My $0.02

the ALG ACT far exceeds it’s quality for the price. 

For a single stage this is the cat's meow. Tacti- cat shout out.

[Sisco]

17 hours ago, lilmidtown said:

Thanks KS for the info I was look at alot of G triggers you can use the same ar15 triggers in your ar10 I believe but I have an armalite rifle so maybe I'll stick with them. I'm going for a battle rifle set up

Two questions: 1. Do you want a two stage or a single stage? If you have the standard Armalite AR10 like R2 says, you have a two stage combat trigger, which is very good, but not great.  2. Do you like having some slack to take up before the trigger releases? If so stick with two stage. For precision accuracy this is what I would go with. If you want immediate bang when you pull the trigger, get a single stage. Maybe preferable on 3 gun competition rifles where split seconds possibly count.

if you are going for a “battle rifle” and not going to use for precision work, maybe stick with what you have until you are familiar with it to the tune of 300 rounds or so. Then you will know if you like it or not. Then you can always make the switch to something else, such as a better quality two stage, or a single stage.

[jtallen83]

2 hours ago, Sisco said:

If you have the standard Armalite AR10 like R2 says, you have a two stage combat trigger, which is very good, but not great.

They have changed up, some basic models come with a cheap single stage now, they haven't done a good job of spelling this out lately. I'm not sure they still have either the NM or the combat trigger they used to.

[Sisco]

4 hours ago, jtallen83 said:

They have changed up, some basic models come with a cheap single stage now, they haven't done a good job of spelling this out lately. I'm not sure they still have either the NM or the combat trigger they used to.

Thanks for clarifying, I thought about that possibility after I wrote that. Sad if they have done that. They also moved out of Genseo. Not the same company.