planeflyer21 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Do you carry Condition 3, empty chamber and full magazine? If so, why? What is your reasoning, not the reasoning of somebody else. I've never carried "Israeli-style", as it seemed unsafe when I started serious-carrying (all the time, not just "Maybe I'll take a pistol today"), as my pistol was a Springer 1911A1. Tons of research showed they were to be carried Condition 1, cocked-n-locked, so that is how I trained. People are finally starting to study the difference in reaction times between loaded chamber-draw-pull trigger versus empty chamber-draw-rack slide-pull trigger. It doesn't look good for the empty chamber crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I would also be interested in the opinions of others as I also carry Condition 1. The way I look at it you carry to be prepared, If there is no round in the chamber you are not prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 # 1 <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I carry a revolver :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Armory Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Depends on the gun. XD condition 1. Kahr condition 1. Witness half cocked,locked and loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 #3 here. Safety primarily. Especially with the little monsters around the house.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Con. 1 here. My P99 doesn't have any safeties so I hit the decocker for normal carry. It's a DA/SA so it has a long trigger pull decocked, but if i have some warning of a bad situation it only takes a couple mm of slide movement to cock it, and I can do it one handed in the holster. Manual safeties are a deal breaker for me on a pistol. Edited March 11, 2014 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I carry a revolver :) Got both.Different tools for different jobs. ^-^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Not having a safety on my sig (DA/SA) is the only thing keeping me from chambering a round. Just makes me nervous that if the kids somehow get hold of it that it's ready to fire.... Racking it takes some effort from their part since the kids aren't coordinated or strong enough to rack the slide. Edited March 11, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 When kids are part of the equation,prudence is the name of the game.Safety first,always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) I've been carrying legally since 1987 and never once have I carried an empty chamber. If the firearm isn't safe to carry fully loaded then it's time to choose a different carry piece. Edited March 11, 2014 by Microgunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I have to wonder if there are any State firearm laws on the books regarding carrying chambered. Seems like a topic the regulationists would want to legislate about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I carry a few different pieces. My 1911 will stay cocked and locked. My Walther PPK/S rides hammer down (DA) and safety off. My Sig's all ride in DA (no safety). I have a single action .357 derringer that I carry at half-cock in my pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I carry a few different pieces. My 1911 will stay cocked and locked. My Walther PPK/S rides hammer down (DA) and safety off. My Sig's all ride in DA (no safety). I have a single action .357 derringer that I carry at half-cock in my pocket. Is there still room for your wallet somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I carry a few different pieces. My 1911 will stay cocked and locked. My Walther PPK/S rides hammer down (DA) and safety off. My Sig's all ride in DA (no safety). I have a single action .357 derringer that I carry at half-cock in my pocket. I don't know about you but I can carry a metric shitton now that I've lost weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm with shibi kids are important non of my carry guns have saftey other than the trigger. In my smaller neck of the woods I usually can see trouble coming and distance myself according. I make sure to practice my movement for action frequently so I make little to no mistakes! During the day I also have a nice hammer on my hip for a waffle to the forehead :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 When you're not in control of your carry piece and it's possible that kids could get hold of it then it should be completely unloaded and made safe, but if you're wearing the sidearm and in complete control of the firearm then it should be fully loaded and ready for action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 When you're not in control of your carry piece and it's possible that kids could get hold of it then it should be completely unloaded and made safe, but if you're wearing the sidearm and in complete control of the firearm then it should be fully loaded and ready for action. /\/\/\/\ Right there! There was a case recently where a 3-YEAR OLD was supposedly able to rack the slide and shoot himself. Another nearby locally, the kid got a loaded firearm from up on top of a cabinet. Mediflight to UofA Medical Center from Amado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) I live out in the woods and have a gun/rifle for every need. I also have grandkids, and their parents have encouraged the kid's interest in firearms, but done nothing for respect. These kiddos are always going through my stuff for what looks like fun, and they play with it, it doesn't matter who it belongs to, and if it might go Bang! makes it of course a better toy. Kids are 6 and 8. So everything I have is condition 4? In other words, the kids can grab a gun, but finding the ammo for it is above your security clearance. Chambering a round is above top security clearance -- but still, I can spend time behind bars if kids get access to loaded weapons here -- chambered or not. I have a sister in law who has an incurable case of rabies and liberalism -- do I repeat myself -- and she totally has it in for me. She would be glad to see me locked up over guns. She already tried to lock me up once, over guns, thankfully it didn't work, but for sure she'll try again. After all, she comes to our house for family events like Easter and Thanksgiving, etc. and can see what guns I have for "armed insurrection" or whatever she wants to make up for the cops when she calls them the next time. So I keep only one sidearm in a hidden place that's loaded, nothing in the chamber, easy for me to get to, nobody else would think to go there. Kids naturally like guns anyway. Raising them with guns -- well, the best way wouldn't start with hard words or a spanking over grabbing something loaded without first checking it, or even, just grabbing someone else's gun. That's just plain wrong and massively impolite. For now, the kids understand how guns work, and they've found out that the guns I have are way too effing heavy to carry around to be any sort of fun. They could hold, handle and fire my go-to piece no problem. So it is conveniently hidden. If they find and fire it, well, my guess is, I can't reach http://forum.308ar.com from prison to tell my tale and it would be too late anyhow. They're not my kids. If they were, they'd be shooters and have some respect. But for now, guns are fun and mostly for solving problems with space aliens. Put all that together, and you get one picture: I am compromising the security of my house, my wife, and my grandchildren, because of what the law says about kids' access to loaded guns. Out of the collection, I have only one limited-access sidearm in case things go south. If I suggested firearm training for the kids, I could arrange that, because by son in law (the second one now) is pro-gun. Then maybe I could judge the value of keeping guns loaded. But my effing sister in law, if she encountered loaded guns, would have the County Sheriff and the NAAPC (her kids are black) and probably everything and everyone after me. She's my wife's sister, though, so that is not a fixable problem. A partial solution would be to merely carry that one pistol in a holster, at all times, in the house, especially during Easter and Christmas. Crawling up and down over presents and giant roast turkeys means I will of course 'print' and enflame the Evil Sister and so forth. But being pissed is her default attitude so maybe carrying at home during the holidays, with everythine else unloaded, is the safest all aroud. Edited March 12, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I don't know about you but I can carry a metric shitton now that I've lost weight. Lol. Not all at the same time. I'm eccentric about my carry piece like my wife is with jewelry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) /\/\/\/\ Right there! There was a case recently where a 3-YEAR OLD was supposedly able to rack the slide and shoot himself. Another nearby locally, the kid got a loaded firearm from up on top of a cabinet. Mediflight to UofA Medical Center from Amado. Points taken. All firearms are in the master bedroom with an automatic digital multi-combination lock (to stop kids from barging in, we had one foster kid that also locked us out of our bedroom once - lesson learned). Rifles are always secured, unloaded, ammo stored in a completely separate location. As for my carry piece, it gets unloaded when I step into the house, then goes straight into the bedroom. Edited March 12, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 When I used to carrie a 1911 (not legally , yes ,I did that for a very long time ) it was cocked & locked . If you think you have time in a stressful situation , to rack the slide , go for it , myself, its enough to take the safety off . I like my newer carrie pistols , with no manual safety's . I've been carrying a M&P Shield lately & I like it , but still carrie my PM 45 , when feeling the need . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONTANA308 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Condition 1 on my Kimber. Any other gun I decided to carry to protect me or my family is going to be ready to roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Points taken. All firearms are in the master bedroom with an automatic digital multi-combination lock (to stop kids from barging in, we had one foster kid that also locked us out of our bedroom once - lesson learned). Rifles are always secured, unloaded, ammo stored in a completely separate location. As for my carry piece, it gets unloaded when I step into the house, then goes straight into the bedroom. Ssooo…a bedroom vault! You, sir, are The MAN! Now you have to fill it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Kimber cocked and locked same for XDS 45..... all guns in my home are loaded except!!!!!! when grandkids are here then they are loaded and in the safe and it is locked, except for my kimber and it is in a hand vault..or on me!...I have carried since 1978, My kids were raised around guns they were around the house but like a hot stove they were taught they were not to be touched and they are not toys! period no excuses that was the rules.. and now my kids are 34 and 38 and I asked them if they ever touched guns or played with them and they both said no it was not something they ever thought about. My kids ..... I have been blessed by two great kids , but their mother and I get some credit some rules are never to be broken and you can teach kids that without beatings or stress just love and positive reinforcement.... a empty gun is a hammer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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