smokeymcfats Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has anyone tried the new Witt Machine MRE muzzle brake? From what i've read they reduce a lot of recoil while not increasing muzzle blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has anyone tried the new Witt Machine MRE muzzle brake? From what i've read they reduce a lot of recoil while not increasing muzzle blast.OH NO , I'm spilling the KoolAid on the counter ! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 We eagerly await you'r reviews brother smokey. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has anyone tried the new Witt Machine MRE muzzle brake? From what i've read they reduce a lot of recoil while not increasing muzzle blast. The RULE strikes again ! Post #2 , I'm think THE RULE is entrapment for new guy's , but WTF ,its all in fun. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Witt Machine was tested on the AR15 Muzzle Break Shootout, and it didn't perform terribly well. As of now the APA and Alamo 4 Star Brakes are hard to beat for bigger bore. Note that all have angled baffles much like the M4-72 brake that is leading the 5.56 testing, but with 4 ports instead of three. The follow up reports and testing from precisionrifleblog and the upcoming muzzle brake shootout 3, should be revealing. How about giving the newbie a pass since that data is available, and we'd rather he save his money for something a works well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 I'd call that a review. He's safe lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Whoo.......that was close smokey. Talk about dodging a bullet. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'd call that a review. He's safe lolWhoo.......that was close smokey. Talk about dodging a bullet. <laughs> And fast too....should have at least let him sweat out the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I believe someone here , a member, has to have one & reviewed it , with in 48 hr's. That info is from a nonparticipating third party >:D <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 More updates: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/07/25/muzzle-brakes-ability-to-stay-on-target/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Dean Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Now if only he could have done this test with some mof the more common brakes on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 I spoke with him about this. He chose these since they were the most represented at PRS matches and in the precision shooting world (mostly bolt action). That's his milieu. Plus, as he talks about in the early parts of the testing, he was also looking at categories of design. Several of the more common brakes on the market have similar, if not identical design concepts, so would likely preform similarly. What he found, is that there was a trend for certain types of brakes that preformed better than others, especially those with baffles that angled back towards the shooter 15-35 degrees, vs. those that only pushed gasses out 90 degrees. Also, brakes with ports that expelled gasses from the top were understandably better at reducing muzzle rise for the most part. If you look on thetruthaboutguns.com "Muzzle Brake Shootout II", you can see which performed best there (amoung the "more popular" brakes out there) and compare them against which desgins precisionrifleblog.com found to work best. Of course, you must choose what you are looking for (decrease in reward felt recoil / muzzle rise / flash / noise level / weight / etc. He's got several installments left to look at further data and details. Plus, the " Muzzle Brake Shootout III" is due out later next month, I believe. So, by the end of the summer or so, we should have a lot of comparative data to make a great "Top 10" list out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Dean Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Agreed, thanks for reaching out to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Yes, but In some ways the muzzle signature & recoil impulse are much different with respect to a Bolt action & an AR type rifle . I just wonder what difference there is between the two types of actions with the testing they did . <dontknow> You could say the muzzle blast of a particular Cartridge with the same loading would be close , but the movement of the action would have to make a difference , not to mention how much gas is exiting the end of the Barrel, since a certain amount of gas is being used in the AR type action . <dontknow> Since most testing was not done with an AR type action . To me it opens a lot of questions , is one type good for all types of applications ? Good testing thats for sure . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Good points. That said, the test on thetruthaboutguns Muzzle Brake Shootouts were done on an AR15. Also, while there may be difference between the impulse of an AR vs. bolt action due to reciprocating carrier group and gas movement, I'd think the overall standing of which brakes decreased in % of peak force would be the relatively the same. At the end of the day, it gives us a better idea of which brake designs generally decrease force and muzzle movement better than others. Choosing between the top few will likely be splitting hairs, especially if you've got an adjustable gas block and heavier buffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 You bring alot of food for thought to the table brother.Damn fine job. :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Good points. That said, the test on thetruthaboutguns Muzzle Brake Shootouts were done on an AR15. Also, while there may be difference between the impulse of an AR vs. bolt action due to reciprocating carrier group and gas movement, I'd think the overall standing of which brakes decreased in % of peak force would be the relatively the same. At the end of the day, it gives us a better idea of which brake designs generally decrease force and muzzle movement better than others. Choosing between the top few will likely be splitting hairs, especially if you've got an adjustable gas block and heavier buffer. Makes perfect sense , still the two actions have a completely different felt recoil impulse , so really one would not be perceived the same as the other , no matter what brake/Comp . was used . Reciprocating mass of a AR type would change a lot of things & I don't recall them testing an 308AR in there. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Nope, he didn't. Perhaps we can make our top 10 list based on both groups of data, and you can test them on a .308AR for us! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Actually rather than just the top 10 list, I think we should do a top 3 each at under $50, 50-100, above $100some of us don't have a $180 budget for a muzzle device :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Agreed! I 'm thinking the thing for my "OBR on a Budget" build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Those people spent a lot of time on those tests , not something I would jump right into. I'm still testing 308 AR Barrels of different lengths , with different Bullet ,Powder , Primer combo's & have been at it or two years . I just got a 18" bbl. for the testing & at least I have most of the Powder /Bullet/Primer loads determined , but they all have to be tested in a18" bbl. now . A test like they did , on a 308AR platform , would have to not only test the Muzzle device , but its effects with different Bullet weights . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Not to stay on a tangent, but what's the make & specs of your new 18" barrel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Criterion , 18" Match S/S ,Nitrated , rifle gas , 1-10 , .750 gas block Thats a DD, Mitigator Brake , that works very well . Edited August 5, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Wonder how my $15 SLR blem brake will work! Only thing I'll be able to compare it to is a dynacomp, but I'll probably swap them to see which I like better on the new gun. I just noticed the price went up to $23 http://slrrifleworks.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=116 Edited August 5, 2015 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Baffles look pretty small (not much area pointed upwards), and you can't see if they are angled rearward. Those seem to be some of the characteristics that the top performing brakes had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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