StainTrain Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 my wife was having a conversation with some of the security guards at work about guns, and someone walking past joined in the conversation. He started on with the blah blah about how "where he used to live" he went to a range with a 3000yd range, and was shooting plates there, and wanted to know where one like that was in florida..... You should have invited those guys out to Renzo's tonight.
Sisco Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Posted September 11, 2014 That's pretty much is what was meant in the beginning , it just got out of hand or should I say out of the 308AR realm , once or twice , well , maybe three times . <lmao> The title of this section is " Accurizing the 308AR " <thumbsup> We'll get back to it eventually, till then some interesting posts.
survivalshop Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 I agree , there are some good points being made & with out an open discussion , we would probably never read some of these. I see now I have to make a 155 gr. bullet load to compare to the 168 & 175 gr. loads I have set already , thanks for making more work for me . Its very hard being retired & have all this work piled on . <lmao>
Sisco Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Posted September 12, 2014 I agree , there are some good points being made & with out an open discussion , we would probably never read some of these. I see now I have to make a 155 gr. bullet load to compare to the 168 & 175 gr. loads I have set already , thanks for making more work for me . Its very hard being retired & have all this work piled on . <lmao> 155 grain Berger Hybrids? That is all my LGS guy uses for Palma cup matches.
98Z5V Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 I wanna see what they do out of an 18" or 20" .308 AR witha 1:10 twist barrel... <dontknow>
blue109 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) your face is a 32" barrel. BURN! Edited September 12, 2014 by blue109
Sisco Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Posted September 12, 2014 I wanna see what they do out of an 18" or 20" .308 AR witha 1:10 twist barrel... <dontknow> I would like to see that myself. See if it is worth $10 more a box over SMK's.
mrmackc Posted December 19, 2014 Report Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) I just saw the rifle that won last years Palma. A long sucker! It all boils down to when the bullet goes under the speed of sound. Then key holing starts. As long as the short barreled weapon bullets stay supersonic they can compete. But above 500 yards, it is going to take a lot more to do that. And eventually the longer barrel will always win out. With a 308 a carbine goes transonic around 500 yards. The study above looked only out to 500 yards, probably for that reason. The carbine and the rifle have a chance to be equal, but only at limited distances. After 8-900 yards, the 308 rifle loses out to the 300 Winchester Magnum for the same reason. And the 300 WM eventually loses out to the .338 Lapua. Back when I kept up with my friends that shot the Palma the host country furnished identical rifles for the match usually their military's long range service rifle. Okay, I sometimes reply to older postings, I even had a comment on the Ten Commandments when Moses posted them.....I still have the mallet and chisel I used on the Exodus site. Edited December 19, 2014 by mrmackc
blue109 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Posted December 19, 2014 fish gotta swim. as long as you realize you resurrected a zombie and did it intentionally its not annoying lol.
mrmackc Posted December 19, 2014 Report Posted December 19, 2014 Actually I didn't INTENTIONALLY dig up either Moses posting nor sisco's posting on here Sometimes I just mess up.
crimsonfalcon07 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Posted December 19, 2014 Well, I for one missed this one the first time around, and enjoyed the read, especially watching the cocky "expert" get the smackdown.
Dane Armory Posted December 19, 2014 Report Posted December 19, 2014 WTF ever happened to Peggy Sue... did he show for the National Match at Range in North PHX ?
98Z5V Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 I miss this thread... I miss Stain, too... In a special kinda way...
Matt.Cross Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: I miss this thread... I miss Stain, too... In a special kinda way... It was an epic thread. I just read completely through it, good times!
survivalshop Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 I also miss NJensen also , you could tell that guy , like Stain , knows their $hit . Not that you guys don't
98Z5V Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 NJensen is the only F-Class competitor that I can even think of that came here to share - not to trash talk. He fit it.
Sisco Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Posted January 21, 2017 Rereading this thread, makes me realize how little I knew back then, and a renewed appreciation for the knowledge of the regulars on this forum. Damn! opened up a hornets nest back then! Without really trying! NJensen and Stain Train both shared a lot of good knowledge.
HotRod308 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Posted January 22, 2017 I see that this subject made it back again and I believe the same article to boot. If you want a short barrel rifle, by all means go get one. If you want to brag about hitting the dinger at 700 yds with a short barrel, hey that's great. But what I really want to see, is a short barrel rifle win a rifle match. Not just a lucky shot at a dinger. There are NRA F-Class and regular HP matches all over the country. Bring the short barrel rifle with some accuracy and bring that article and that video clip along with you. You can tell all the other shooters there about your article and video clip as you sign up for the rifle match. Please tell them all that their 26 inch or 30 barrels suck real bad and your going kick their collective buts and win. Hey, there is a service rifle class, M-1 Garand, M1A/m-14, AR-15 (irons or 1-4x scope), M-110 (irons only). I believe, I put them in order from longer barrel to the SHORTER barrel. BUT I gotta ask this one question, would you be more embarrassed being beating by a junior with an AR -15 or by someone with a longer barrel? Cause it's going to be one or the other. Bring a lap top or I-pad for that video, one needs a bigger screen to watch it.
survivalshop Posted January 22, 2017 Report Posted January 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, HotRod308 said: I see that this subject made it back again and I believe the same article to boot. If you want a short barrel rifle, by all means go get one. If you want to brag about hitting the dinger at 700 yds with a short barrel, hey that's great. But what I really want to see, is a short barrel rifle win a rifle match. Not just a lucky shot at a dinger. There are NRA F-Class and regular HP matches all over the country. Bring the short barrel rifle with some accuracy and bring that article and that video clip along with you. You can tell all the other shooters there about your article and video clip as you sign up for the rifle match. Please tell them all that their 26 inch or 30 barrels suck real bad and your going kick their collective buts and win. Hey, there is a service rifle class, M-1 Garand, M1A/m-14, AR-15 (irons or 1-4x scope), M-110 (irons only). I believe, I put them in order from longer barrel to the SHORTER barrel. BUT I gotta ask this one question, would you be more embarrassed being beating by a junior with an AR -15 or by someone with a longer barrel? Cause it's going to be one or the other. Bring a lap top or I-pad for that video, one needs a bigger screen to watch it. I thought we addressed this already , in this thread .
jtallen83 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Posted January 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, HotRod308 said: But what I really want to see, is a short barrel rifle win a rifle match. Not just a lucky shot at a dinger. If you really want to see it then by all means do it! Most of us here could care less about F class rifles or matches......... you might get lucky.
shepp Posted January 22, 2017 Report Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, HotRod308 said: I see that this subject made it back again and I believe the same article to boot. If you want a short barrel rifle, by all means go get one. If you want to brag about hitting the dinger at 700 yds with a short barrel, hey that's great. But what I really want to see, is a short barrel rifle win a rifle match. Not just a lucky shot at a dinger. There are NRA F-Class and regular HP matches all over the country. Bring the short barrel rifle with some accuracy and bring that article and that video clip along with you. You can tell all the other shooters there about your article and video clip as you sign up for the rifle match. Please tell them all that their 26 inch or 30 barrels suck real bad and your going kick their collective buts and win. Hey, there is a service rifle class, M-1 Garand, M1A/m-14, AR-15 (irons or 1-4x scope), M-110 (irons only). I believe, I put them in order from longer barrel to the SHORTER barrel. BUT I gotta ask this one question, would you be more embarrassed being beating by a junior with an AR -15 or by someone with a longer barrel? Cause it's going to be one or the other. Bring a lap top or I-pad for that video, one needs a bigger screen to watch it. Scratching my head?!? You sound butt hurt over a thread that precedes your membership?! Edited January 22, 2017 by shepp
planeflyer21 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Posted January 22, 2017 There's a dude over on a levergun forum who regularly shoots their clubs "service rifle" match with his .30-30, getting better scores that over half the field. Of course he doesn't get an official score because it isn't an official service rifle. Their match goes out to 400 yards.
HotRod308 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 yep 30-30 rules, I got bored on the first page and skipped to the last page. Still keeps coming back.
98Z5V Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 On 1/18/2017 at 9:13 AM, 98Z5V said: NJensen is the only F-Class competitor that I can even think of that came here to share - not to trash talk. He fit it. And, as I said earlier...
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