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planeflyer21 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Funny you posted that first one. As the girl is now in high school feeling career choice pressures, I had her watch that. And this one: The current situation was created by a quad-partisan effort: politicos, unions, industry leaders, and the educational system, all agreeing to gut the trades by decimating the apprenticeship/journeyman programs. What was once taught in high school (trades) to get kids a jump on living life was removed, to be revived again under a for-profit training industry in trade schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 This new trade school system is crap! Truck drivers that only drive automatics, carpenters that don't know the difference between a sinker and a common nail, operators that don't have a clue how to use a shovel. I see this regularly, poor kids have went in debt to learn a trade and got nothing for it, they would have been better served starting as a laborer and actually learning how the real world works. I can only imagine the problems with the more technical trades like machinists, HVAC, electricians, and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Excuse me while I step into my flame suit and then stand behind this bullet proof panel....one moment....ok. Fuckin unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 another part of this problem is that you can flip burgers at a Mickey D,s and make 12 to 14 a hour when I was a kid you grew up pumping gas , then carrying lumber for a carpenter, then hammering nails framing , then signing on as a apprentice to a skilled blue collar job, in my case it was logging I was taught how to fall timber and told and shown how to do it without killing myself or someone else then I was told ok you are on your own you know all I can teach you go make a living , it was hard work, I loved every min.of it and still love the lifestyle today.....I was never a money monger but kids today grow up and never get a first job mom and dad pay for everything and they play baseball and soccer and there is no winners and loosers everyone is equal, well that is BS life is not that way....... life is a tough SOB get effin used to it , and don't burn a flag in front off me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: I can only imagine the problems with the more technical trades like machinists, HVAC, electricians, and such. Out here we have a few pretty proficient local colleges who have training programs for HVAC and Machining and the like. However, they aren't quite as effective as apprenticeships were back in the day. I learned my trade by pestering local machine shops until they would let me come in and shadow the old timers that know their stuff, and by reading old manuals and other machining publications. The college certificate is just to placate the HR departments, the real value is in what I learned from the experience of the tradesmen themselves, and I can assure you it comes at a PREMIUM to companies that need those specialized skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNKEBIT Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, DNP said: Excuse me while I step into my flame suit and then stand behind this bullet proof panel....one moment....ok. Fuckin unions. ^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^ They were needed. They abused the power, wayyyy beyond reality, and fucked everything thing up. My buddy paints walls for a living. I asked him if he was worth 38+ dollars an hour, he smiled and said "no way." wtf? It's just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I got in on the tail end of high schools being gutted around here, went to the college for Machine Tool Technologies-Manual machine tools. Had great instructors, all retired machinists with 40 plus years experience. Learned many forgotten tricks of the trade from them. After looking for 4 years, was able to get in as a CNC button pusher. Six months later, with no crashes and a scrap rate of 0%, they let me start doing setups and program editing. Saved their asses on a couple of jobs, remembering little tricks from my instructors. Like putting electrical tape inside 17-4 valve castings that had been cast too big for the job's fixture in the machine. Or grinding an existing tool bit to fit a new job. We won't need the unions this time around. If the papered smarties want parts, or electricity, or running water, or shite-free houses, etc., then they will pay what we demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I grew up the youngest of 7 boys in 10 years. We always had food, clothes and shelter, but rarely got anything more than we needed because I'm sure we ate up most of the budget, literally. They did put us through Catholic school until 8th grade. That was the best investment they made for us. I have had to work to get money for things I wanted since about 10 years old. I have done a little of everything in my life. I helped the janitor at school in 6th and 7th grade and hauled hay for my grandfather in the summer. My first "real" job with taxes and social security was unloading trucks and watering plants at a nursery at 15. Then I went to a grocery store and worked my way from a bagger to a department mgr in 5 years. I went to Coca Cola and worked my ass off for 8 years and got into sales. It was during this time that I realized I did not want to "work" for a living and went back to school at 29. Thankfully, my wife put me through school for the most part. During undergrad, I worked at an oil distribution warehouse for about a year and did all manner of jobs from filling oil drums to loading trucks. I then went to work as computer help desk for a year and a half until optometry school. I don't regret anything I did because I can use those experiences to better relate to the needs of my patients. I said all of that to say this. During the course of exams, I occasionally have the opportunity to impress upon high school kids that not everyone is cut out to go to college and that learning a skilled trade can get you a good living. With what people charge for plumbing, HVAC, car repair, remodeling, etc..., there are many of them that make more money than I do and have a lot less stress and government regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I believe the oil folks are set to start doing pretty good (again) soon here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) We need to get BACK to this... maybe, maybe we will this time around............knock on wood..... cross your fingers and .....don't kiss asses! We are trying to keep Texas out of range for the modern Democrats, convert them to Bluedog Democrats, We really need some loyal opposition Republicans have not done Texas right. They have jerrymandered our middle of the road Democrats out of the picture and driven the rest into the large cities and totally to the far left. We need to send some of our brainwashed folks to truth school,. Edited January 10, 2017 by mrmackc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Then we need to load 85% urban born 1990-2000 and ship them somewhere other than here. Might as well send their parents too. Every kid I talk to that don't know what they wanna do I tell them LEARN A TRADE!!!! Best advice my dad ever gave me 100%. Mike Rowe for president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Also if you listen to podcasts and like mike Rowe these are always good, warning tho sometimes they get you right in the feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 5 hours ago, shepp said: I tell them LEARN A TRADE!!!! This is similar to the choices I gave my boy when he was about 17 or 18. I saw him wasting his time away at some BS retail job. And he got the same choice that I had received from my old man. Pick a science/engineering field and go to school......get in a trade.....or go in the Corps. He chose the trade option, so I pulled him into the Controls field since we had an opening at my company at the time. Low and behold, after the traditional 4 or so years of being around seasoned, experienced control/mechanical techs (most apprenticeships), he emerged as a pretty good damn control tech of his own. And now, at 28, he makes a lot more of a salary than I did at 28. And THAT, is how I see skilled trades being properly passed on to the younger generations. If they're family or not. Find them young and willing (willing being the important factor) to learn, teach them properly and let them go on their own. Everybody measures success in their own way. Who's more successful in life? The college kid that may graduate and start a career at $100,000 (using round numbers here), and finish their working career at (say) $300,000? Or the guy that starts his career at $25,000 or $30,000 (as a helper/apprentice), and works his way into a (say) $150,000 career? Looks to me like the first kid only tripled his salary through his working life. While the second kid increased his level of living by over 5 times. And can take care of himself (more than likely). Don't get me wrong. Money is nice to have in life. But it's only another tool in the toolbox. And those that don't appreciate it, from working hard to receive it, will usually only piss it away anyway. (Just my opinion anyway and doesn't really mean $hit) I guess that that's just my way twisted way of looking at things. I'll put down the beer and step back from the keyboard now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Proper training is a must ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 Oh the chainsaw vasectomy yet efective very painfull! Seen my fair share of fups that you cant train, they get to use the shovel and the broom but only run the shovel.. then there are the kids with experience for a few years in training for someone else and think this is better than you! Ahh i sign your check and get you work! STFU ! True teachers are getting overwelmed by youth and hard larbor is just a money issue... not their problem not their money! Woops its broke, you fix it! Im still learning.. how to deal with mamby pamby trophy winners! 1-1/2 x fuckall is still fuckall. From on old boss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 4 hours ago, sketch said: Oh the chainsaw vasectomy yet efective very painfull! Seen my fair share of fups that you cant train, they get to use the shovel and the broom but only run the shovel.. then there are the kids with experience for a few years in training for someone else and think this is better than you! Ahh i sign your check and get you work! STFU ! True teachers are getting overwelmed by youth and hard larbor is just a money issue... not their problem not their money! Woops its broke, you fix it! Im still learning.. how to deal with mamby pamby trophy winners! 1-1/2 x fuckall is still fuckall. From on old boss! SO TRUE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineralman55 Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 22 hours ago, planeflyer21 said: I believe the oil folks are set to start doing pretty good (again) soon here. I sure hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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