5150k9 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I'm bored, So I am gonna build another rifle. Not sure If its a 308 or AR15, However I am going to take my time and want to paint a bitchin desert camo pattern. I have some background with an air brush and have a nice one with compressor and moisture trap. Sorry too wordy, question is i want input on Cerakote or Duracoat. I really don't have the oven to bake it, so leaning towards Duracoat. Opinions? Edited June 25, 2015 by 5150k9
Robocop1051 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Doesn't cerakote have a non-bake spray now? I'm pretty sure 98Z and Edge have used it.
unforgiven Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 I think it's the Druacoat you'r thnking of brother Rob.
5150k9 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 Doesn't cerakote have a non-bake spray now? I'm pretty sure 98Z and Edge have used it. I heard they do too, but haven't found it. reading all the risks of using duracoat with out complete body suits and re breathers, freaking me out. but all I'm spraying is a few parts.
392heminut Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Cerakote has what they call their C-Series finishes which is an air cured finish. It is a high temp finish that a lot of the guys building Form1 suppressors are using to coat their cans with. They say it holds up extremely well.
shepp Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 There's 16 pages of cerakote goodness in the black rifle area I was skimming thru it the other night cuz a buddy is looking for an air brush set
shibiwan Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 In terms of durability (best to worst): Cerakote H series > Cerakote C series > Durakote > Krylon. :D No oven? Use the one in the kitchen and tell the wife to stick it and make you a sammich instead.
mrmackc Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) "Yes Master, would you like mayo or mustard on your fish gut and dog turd sammich?" Should I have it delivered to the Morgue or direct to the funeral home? That is MY friggin" STOVE! Edited June 25, 2015 by mrmackc
98Z5V Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) As stated above, Cerakote has two common flavors. C-Series is the high-temp stuff, up to 1200 degrees, and it's air cure, not oven cure. You would need to use C-Series on barrels, suppressors, muzzle devices, optics, headers on the car/truck, etc. The H-series is the bake-on stuff. Works for everything that doesn't requite a high-heat coating, i.e., all other firearm parts not listed above. I've used both, and like both. I've oven-cured the C-Series before, and it doesn't harm it. The Cerakote C-Series Ambient Cure Ceramic Coatings are designed to protect both metal and non-metal substrates. Additonally, the C-Series Ambient Cure Ceramic Coatings are formulated to withstand extreme temperatures (~1200*F) without discoloring. This makes the coating ideal for exhausts, pistons and other components for high temperature systems. C-Series Ambient Cure Ceramic Coatings maintain excellent adhesion even after repeated thermal cycling. These coatings provide superior protection against corrosive environments and thermal shock. In addition to performance, the C-Series Ambient Cure Ceramic products are designed for ease of application. Each product is VOC exempt and cures quickly at room temperature. The coatings are tack free after 40 minutes, dry after 24 hours, and 100% cure after 5 days. C-Series Ceramic Coatings are currently available in several metallic and non-metallic finishes at different gloss levels. Hit this pdf for the differences in the types - there's more than C and H Series. Cerakote Product Series Guide.pdf Edited June 25, 2015 by 98Z5V
Magwa Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 you forgot to say Ta Da!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am jonsing to get my Kimber cerekoted just have not found anyone who I trust with it.....
TnBilly Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Just got done with a lower I did in the oven cure Cerakote. I didn't realize there was another type that didn't require oven cure, this is good to know (thanks 98), me thinks I'll try it next time. The only bitch I have about the oven-cure is the flat black I'm using is at best only slightly less than glossy. Anyone know if the air cured black is a real, flat, black?
shibiwan Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Just got done with a lower I did in the oven cure Cerakote. I didn't realize there was another type that didn't require oven cure, this is good to know (thanks 98), me thinks I'll try it next time. The only bitch I have about the oven-cure is the flat black I'm using is at best only slightly less than glossy. Anyone know if the air cured black is a real, flat, black? You sure you got the mix right?
TnBilly Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 You sure you got the mix right? What mix? It's sprayed as is.
shibiwan Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 What mix? It's sprayed as is. Oh, I thought you were referring to Cerakote. You can adjust the mix of the Cerakote hardener to get different levels of finish, from matte to a soft satin.
TnBilly Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 shibiwan, well........ that didn't take me long! I usually wait and stick my foot in it! Feeling kinda dumb but you're absolutely right. I went back and checked and it is KG systems "Gunkote"! I guess there's too many "Kotes" for me. Sorry about my mix up, didn't mean to confuse the issue!
98Z5V Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Yep, with heat-cure Cerakote, you vary the amount of Hardener in the paint mix in order to vary the level of "Flat/Semi/Gloss" outcome.
MikedaddyH Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 We DONT need an oven. Just take it outside to air bake it. 110° and if that is not hot enough put it inside Your BBQ and do not turn it on, its got to be over 150°. Waaaay smarter the pissing off your old lady ! Lol
planeflyer21 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 And get the BBQ all stinkified?! Who's smarter now!
EasyEJL Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Definitely no question, cerakote is the way to go. Duracoat ended up slightly too glossy for my tastes too. a hair shinier than satin. not terrible, but definitely not matte. they also sell additives to make it more matte, but claim a matte finish for it by itself. I should have known better.
beachmaster Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 As stated above, cerakote does have an air bake option, but you can't layer cerakote to my understanding, so if you are looking at doing some cool layers, duracoat might be the way to go. I wish I lived around all of you Tucson guys, I would have to have yall over for a rifle painting party... :-/
shepp Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Pretty sure they show layered paint jobs in their web site? I could be wrong tho
beachmaster Posted June 27, 2015 Report Posted June 27, 2015 From what I understand, cerakote camo is not layered, but... Put on as a single layer. Which is why you don't see it often.
jrtMA Posted July 11, 2015 Report Posted July 11, 2015 Various cerakote camo patterns are phenomenal looking. There were very few companies that originally did it once basic cerokoting caught on but that has changed in the last few years. The problem is patterns/camos can be very pricey to have done professionally and I wouldn't try a complex pattern on a rifle I like. I just bought the duracoat matte black aerosol product and am hoping for the best. I plan to do one stripped receiver group, a barrel, and a few other small items. Many swear by duracoat as a cost effective and durable product. I have no prior experience with it.
shibiwan Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Cerakote can be layered somewhat (but keep it thin). The instructions say to flash dry one color for 15 mins in the oven (250 F) before putting the next color on it, then bake it as normal after you're done painting it. I haven't tried it as yet, but it's on one of the things to learn/try.
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