Mirza11 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 This is my first post on here so i apologize if it's in the wrong section. A little background: I am building an AR10 308 rifle and i have searched far and wide (google, local gun shops, Noveske customer assistance) and can't seem to get a straight answer. This is my 1st rifle build and frankly i should not have started with an AR10. Whenever i call either Armalite or another manufacturer i get the "well we recommend using our parts", which wouldn't be a problem if Armalite ever bothered to re-stock their online store. I also know this topic has been beaten to the ground over and over again so i apologize if i am asking the same questions that have been answered 100 times. WIth that being said.. What i have: Chainsaw Noveske Stripped N6 Upper Receiver *Armalite Compatible* AR10A lower (Accepts non proprietary mags) MY questions are: 1.) Are these receivers compatible (I know there's a DPMS and Armalite patterns). Now the upper DOES "fit" the lower (angled back, takedown pin as well as the pivot pin look like they would fit and line up) but its gets muddy because i have heard there is also a high and low profile for both the DPMS and Armalite patterns. 2.) IF they are not compatible (Novske rep. said that this was for the B style rifle) what can i do to make it compatible? ( i was told a small piece of the upper would need to be machined off to work with the A style lower). 3.) What manufacturers are known to work with the AR10A lower? (I want something close as possible to an Armalite upper fit) 4.) I was told by the Novske rep. that the AR10A lower WILL accept a DPMS upper. IF this is true, what is the profile? (high or low) Is there any manufacturers that do the DPMS pattern which will fit flush on my lower? 5.) I bought a 16" barrel from Armalite for the AR10, will there be any issues with fitment with the AR10A lower using the noveske upper? Any issues with the handguard? WIll it accept a free-floating handguard? Any issues with the top profile lining up? 6.) When it says "will accept 3rd party mags", does that mean ANY manufacturer's magazines built for the AR10? If not, which ones will work for the AR10A? Sorry about the length. Please feel free to share any relevant information on this topic, my knowledge is limited so any help is greatly appreciated. Stay Safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I can't help with all of that, but here are a few The high/low is strictly a DPMS thing. It describes how tall the top rail Is over bore axis. It's important when choosing a handguard to ensure that they are the same height or you will have an ugly "step". It doesn't affect functionality. All AR10s use a standard height that is about the same as DPMS high. DPMS low is the same height as standard AR15 receivers. I'd assume your noveske upper is AR10 height so you don't need to bother with that...But you can measure the thickness of the shelf over the charging handle to be sure. The A lowers are designed to take PMAGS, or any of the other DPMS pattern 308 mags. (3rd party) not the proprietary AR10 mags. A DPMS upper will not fit your AR10 lower. At all. you should not take any more advice from the rep who told you that. Your AR10 barrel should work fine in the Noveske upper, but if it's designed to work with the B lower, it may not function properly on the A lower. I'm sure one of our armalite nerds will be along to help with that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, blue109 said: I'm sure one of our armalite nerds will be along to help with that question. To start off..........Fuk you Blue! Now, that being said. Mirza: What i have: Chainsaw Noveske Stripped N6 Upper Receiver *Armalite Compatible* AR10A lower (Accepts non proprietary mags) I'm not even sure if that lower will fit that upper. The Armalite "A" pattern is a new animal to me. I know that Noveske used to build their equipment off of the Armalite "B" pattern, but I'm not sure if the "A" pattern will match up. 2.) IF they are not compatible (Novske rep. said that this was for the B style rifle) what can i do to make it compatible? ( i was told a small piece of the upper would need to be machined off to work with the A style lower). You're done right there. They said that it was compatible with the "B" pattern. That's for us older Armalite guys. Us dinosaurs of the "B" pattern are a slow breed to die. But Noveskse, from what I gather, is still staying true to the original "10B" pattern. That won't fit you're lower. 3.) What manufacturers are known to work with the AR10A lower? (I want something close as possible to an Armalite upper fit) I'd stick with an Armalite "newer" upper in this case. Just make sure, through Armalite, that it works with your "10A" lower. Probably best to call them. That being said. Noveske makes REALLY nice stuff. I use their barrels in a lot of my builds. Including their SBR N6 Leonidas barrel. IT KICKS ASS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Off topic for nerd comand center: this is mine and it changes colors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 44 minutes ago, sketch said: Off topic for nerd comand center: this is mine and it changes colors! NICE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdoc Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 On 2/28/2017 at 1:29 AM, Rsquared said: To start off..........Fuk you Blue! Now, that being said. Mirza: What i have: Chainsaw Noveske Stripped N6 Upper Receiver *Armalite Compatible* AR10A lower (Accepts non proprietary mags) I'm not even sure if that lower will fit that upper. The Armalite "A" pattern is a new animal to me. I know that Noveske used to build their equipment off of the Armalite "B" pattern, but I'm not sure if the "A" pattern will match up. 2.) IF they are not compatible (Novske rep. said that this was for the B style rifle) what can i do to make it compatible? ( i was told a small piece of the upper would need to be machined off to work with the A style lower). You're done right there. They said that it was compatible with the "B" pattern. That's for us older Armalite guys. Us dinosaurs of the "B" pattern are a slow breed to die. But Noveskse, from what I gather, is still staying true to the original "10B" pattern. That won't fit you're lower. 3.) What manufacturers are known to work with the AR10A lower? (I want something close as possible to an Armalite upper fit) I'd stick with an Armalite "newer" upper in this case. Just make sure, through Armalite, that it works with your "10A" lower. Probably best to call them. That being said. Noveske makes REALLY nice stuff. I use their barrels in a lot of my builds. Including their SBR N6 Leonidas barrel. IT KICKS ASS! Its refreshing to have a forum that allows you to let you express yourself like were talking with old friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Jetdoc said: Its refreshing to have a forum that allows you to let you express yourself like were talking with old friends. I like to compare this place to a dive bar, we may look at you funny when you first walk in the door, but after awhile we'll be yelling your name when you walk in the door. And a lot of us have become old friends Robo puts it well too Edited March 2, 2017 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 hours ago, shepp said: Robo puts it well too I can be a jackass at times, but I even shock myself at times with the shit I type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, Robocop1051 said: I can be a jackass at times, but I even shock myself at times with the poop I type. But when you get things right, they are words to share with posterity. What you wrote are words to live by, at least on the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdoc Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) Gents , I can get salty as good as the next guy. On another firearm forum, I wont name. I was banned for not agreeing with a admin and gave him my opinion , in a respectful manner I thought. Regardless, I told him in private to go F himself in a PM and to ban me for life. They were a bit "PC" on that site. Guess he didnt like being called out in public? Edited March 2, 2017 by Jetdoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hey, I thought that I had told Blue to go Fuk himself in a very respectful manner. A lot of us guys have become more than just names in the forum. We've had various meet-ups that give you the chance to put a face to the name. A lot have exchanged phone numbers and talk with each other frequently. And no matter what the level of ball busting that is seen around here, there is always a level of respect that all of the regulars have for each other. Hell, it even looks like it gets heated up between guys at times. But it's almost always (in the end) just two guys approaching a subject with different opinions or viewpoints, and holding a civil conversation about it (whatever topic that "IT" is). Blue is one of the guys around here that I haven't met face to face yet. But I look forward to hooking up one day and bullshitting over a beer. And THEN.........I'll be able to tell him to go Fuk himself in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Just 1 beer ! Ok if you say so ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Rsquared said: Hey, I thought that I had told Blue to go Fuk himself in a very respectful manner. A lot of us guys have become more than just names in the forum. We've had various meet-ups that give you the chance to put a face to the name. A lot have exchanged phone numbers and talk with each other frequently. And no matter what the level of ball busting that is seen around here, there is always a level of respect that all of the regulars have for each other. Hell, it even looks like it gets heated up between guys at times. But it's almost always (in the end) just two guys approaching a subject with different opinions or viewpoints, and holding a civil conversation about it (whatever topic that "IT" is). Blue is one of the guys around here that I haven't met face to face yet. But I look forward to hooking up one day and bullshitting over a beer. And THEN.........I'll be able to tell him to go Fuk himself in person. Ya , well Armalite sucks , so there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) ? Edited March 3, 2017 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, survivalshop said: Ya , well Armalite sucks , so there ! Them there's fight'n words now, unless you want to exempt my beloved B model Edited March 3, 2017 by jtallen83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 55 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: Them there's fight'n words now, unless you want to exempt my beloved B model Truth, we "B" Armalite guys are few in number, but we have each others back. Unless of course, someone gives me a free matched Mega Upper and Lower, then I may have to rethink things............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 3/2/2017 at 8:35 PM, survivalshop said: Ya , well Armalite sucks , so there ! Ok. Add SS to that list with Blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 3/2/2017 at 9:47 PM, Sisco said: Truth, we "B" Armalite guys are few in number Yeah we are. Hell, I think that it's only us 3. Unless I've forgotten someone (always entirely possible). 4 if you include Pat.....if he ever shows back up. grin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Only three, but we have beautiful bitc__n rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 2/27/2017 at 7:33 PM, Mirza11 said: This is my first post on here so i apologize if it's in the wrong section. A little background: I am building an AR10 308 rifle and i have searched far and wide (google, local gun shops, Noveske customer assistance) and can't seem to get a straight answer. This is my 1st rifle build and frankly i should not have started with an AR10. Whenever i call either Armalite or another manufacturer i get the "well we recommend using our parts", which wouldn't be a problem if Armalite ever bothered to re-stock their online store. I also know this topic has been beaten to the ground over and over again so i apologize if i am asking the same questions that have been answered 100 times. WIth that being said.. What i have: Chainsaw Noveske Stripped N6 Upper Receiver *Armalite Compatible* AR10A lower (Accepts non proprietary mags) To get back to the original question - that upper and that lower will not work together. When Armalite made the A rifles to accepts PMags (and other DPMS/SR-25 compatible mags), they made changes to the upper receiver to accommodate those mags. Not only are the A and B lowers different - the A and B uppers are different. Here's the no-shiit real information on this stuff: https://armalite.com/portfolio/armalite-ar-10a-and-ar-10b-comparison/ Check ME out, gettin' my Armalite Nerd Magic on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Here's another PHENOMENAL graphic resource on the issue. It was made by some dude I know... https://762ar.com/technical-information/visual-differences-m15-ar-10b-and-ar-10a-components-ar-10a-versus-the-ar-10b/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Great research 98 , I learn something new everyday around here . Just for the record , I don't think Armalite sucks ------------------- just some of people that own them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Keep laughing there tough guy. Florida is only about 12 hours from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Rsquared said: Keep laughing there tough guy. Florida is only about 12 hours from me. Sheeet, IIRC Arizona was only about 12 hours away from you! Look out SS!! R2 is trying to set you up for a 12 hour wait when he's only 3 hours away by F-150 warp drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Hey, Hey, Hey! For christs sake man. Don't just go blurting out all of my secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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