survivalshop Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) The autopsy of the shooters brain showed nothing abnormal , well OK , The Bullet in there or went through there was not abnormal ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4969140/Las-Vegas-gunman-no-abnormalites-brain.html Edited October 11, 2017 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, survivalshop said: The Bullet in there or went through there was not abnormal ? Not in the case of shot in the head. Pretty normal in that circumstance, actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html And one more "unnormal" occurrence in this whole thing. Inside job??????? Covering tracks?????? Or just opportunist taking advantage???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 8 hours ago, survivalshop said: They will replace the Carpet & Pads , hopefully . The more I look at that photo , magnified , there are some strange things about it . I'm no crime scene specialist , just doesn't add up to a brain shot , that bullet should have blown the top of his head out , I would think . We don't see the whole scene , still say he was moved . Nope! If he used the pistol that's in the picture just above his head (pretty likely due to the proximity) there would only be a somewhat small exit wound. I've seen several headshot suicides during my career and the ONLY ones that blew out a large portion of the head was with a 12 ga. shotgun and with a Ruger Redhawk 44 mag and with the 44 mag the guy's brains were right next to his head, nowhere close to being splattered all over the place! The picture looks exactly like I would expect it to look after someone stuck a pistol in their mouth and pulled the trigger. Going on my experience there's no red flags in that picture! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Double post! Edited October 11, 2017 by 392heminut Fat fingers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, 392heminut said: Nope! If he used the pistol that's in the picture just above his head (pretty likely due to the proximity) there would only be a somewhat small exit wound. I've seen several headshot suicides during my career and the ONLY ones that blew out a large portion of the head was with a 12 ga. shotgun and with a Ruger Redhawk 44 mag and with the 44 mag the guy's brains were right next to his head, nowhere close to being splattered all over the place! The picture looks exactly like I would expect it to look after someone stuck a pistol in their mouth and pulled the trigger. Going on my experience there's no red flags in that picture! Ya , I can see the Shotgun would be a winner . I saw a women that was shot through a car door with a 12ga. Slug & her Hip was like it was blown up , She didn't make it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 0:45 PM, Matt.Cross said: Bump stocks are the start of the slippery slope that leads to capacity restrictions and ultimately complete confiscation. You might not care for bump stocks but if you don't defend them you'll regret it soon enough. Not one inch more will be given, not one. Another one for the Not One More Inch side, From Mark LaRue; In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical and the NRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 31 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: Another one for the Not One More Inch side, From Mark LaRue; In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical and the NRA I got the same email. While I agree with what he says, I find it difficult to trust the large national organizations that "represent the little guy." Whether it's the NRA, the optometry association, a national political party, or some other group, they get large and connected to the swamp of government and forget about the grass roots. The new leaders are mostly chosen amongst people who will continue the status quo. It is great to say take back the organization or hold the leaders responsible. In the realities I have witnessed, things rarely get changed because the figurehead that runs on a platform of change does not get to make the decisions. They only get the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: It is great to say take back the organization or hold the leaders responsible. In the realities I have witnessed, things rarely get changed because the figurehead that runs on a platform of change does not get to make the decisions. They only get the blame. I liked Steve Bannon's explanation on Hannity, he said it would take decades to actually drain the swamp, paraphrasing. The establishment always tries to placate disadandts with small wins hoping they will pat each other on the back and move on. We have to make sure we are always hungry and demanding more, never satisfied just like the globalist elite establishment in power. They are never satisfied with one restriction or ban, they simply move rapidly to their next step in the agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: The establishment always tries to placate dissidents with small wins hoping they will pat each other on the back and move on. We have to make sure we are always hungry and demanding more, never satisfied just like the globalist elite establishment in power. They are never satisfied with one restriction or ban, they simply move rapidly to their next step in the agenda. I agree with this 100% JT. Except for how you spelled dissidents, I had to fix that! Edited October 12, 2017 by 392heminut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 34 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: I liked Steve Bannon's explanation on Hannity, he said it would take decades to actually drain the swamp, paraphrasing. The establishment always tries to placate disadandts with small wins hoping they will pat each other on the back and move on. We have to make sure we are always hungry and demanding more, never satisfied just like the globalist elite establishment in power. They are never satisfied with one restriction or ban, they simply move rapidly to their next step in the agenda. Exactly! When the people really running the show are not the ones you see or elect, it makes it difficult to get rid of them. You can't unelect them. You can only possibly fire them if you get to be in charge. You can't get elected unless they allow you to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, 392heminut said: I agree with this 100% JT. Except for how you spelled dissidents, I had to fix that! That's what happens when I post on my phone when not wearing my glasses, not that I can spell anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: Exactly! When the people really running the show are not the ones you see or elect, it makes it difficult to get rid of them. You can't unelect them. You can only possibly fire them if you get to be in charge. You can't get elected unless they allow you to. Money is the key. We have to be willing to withhold our money from those we disagree with. Vote with your wallet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) You guys remember John Noveske's last FB post?... SSRIs. It's detailed, verbatim, in here: https://www.infowars.com/prominent-rifle-manufacturer-killed-in-mysterious-car-crash-days-after-posting-psych-drug-link-to-school-shooters/ Edited October 12, 2017 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, jtallen83 said: Money is the key. We have to be willing to withhold our money from those we disagree with. Vote with your wallet! absolutely right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 7 hours ago, 98Z5V said: You guys remember John Noveske's last FB post?... SSRIs. It's detailed, verbatim, in here: https://www.infowars.com/prominent-rifle-manufacturer-killed-in-mysterious-car-crash-days-after-posting-psych-drug-link-to-school-shooters/ Just think of how many of these walking time bombs are walking around us at any given time , some scary $hit & people wonder why I'm always armed . You can add SCOUS Scalia to the list in the first part of that article . Some of the Tin Foil hat stuff is starting to make sense .That too is scary ! We already know this POS shooter was on some kind of drugs , which ones , they will not say , but some of these POS's probably don't need Drugs to do what they do or what some have did . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, survivalshop said: We already know this POS shooter was on some kind of drugs , which ones , they will not say , but some of these POS's probably don't need Drugs to do what they do or what some have did . They keep mentioning diazepam, the little yellow pill (although the blue is better), Mothers little helper from the Beatles song..... This is one of the more tried and true drugs on the market, at least since 1963. Any drug is bound to cause issues for some people but if this drug caused people to commit mass shooting there would be a whole lot more of them. I have a valium prescription for muscle spasms, rarely take it and never during the day as it makes me drowsy but I can tell you first hand it doesn't make me violent and is effective in stopping spasms. There are so many other questionable drugs on the market that have a much greater tie to violence and suicide me thinks this is a red herring meant to discredit those that argue against the hoard of useless drugs pushed on us. From the WHO; " Diazepam is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines needed in a health system." Lots of references from this link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Here are the rare side effects of Valium. They may not happen often, but if it is on the list, it has happened before. It is NOT an SSRI but it can and does mess with the brain. The emphasis is from the poster on my optometrist forum. https://www.drugs.com/sfx/valium-side-effects.htmlIncidence not known Abdominal or stomach pain agitation black, tarry stools blistering, flaking, or peeling of the skin blurred vision changes in patterns and rhythms of speech chills confusion cough dark urine decrease in the frequency of urination decrease in urine volume difficulty in passing urine (dribbling) discouragement dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts fast heartbeat fast or irregular breathing feeling sad or empty feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior feeling that others can hear your thoughts feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there fever headache hyperexcitability increased muscle spasms or tone irritability itching or rash lack of memory of what takes place after a certain event loss of appetite loss of bladder control loss of interest or pleasure lower back or side pain nausea nightmares outbursts of anger painful or difficult urination pale skin restlessness seizures slurred speech sore throat sweating trouble concentrating trouble sleeping trouble speaking ulcers, sores, or white spots in the mouth unpleasant breath odor unusual behavior unusual bleeding or bruising unusual feeling of excitement unusual tiredness or weakness vomiting of blood yellow eyes or skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think perhaps he had an underlying mental disease state that was triggered by something. He took a long time to plan this including some dress rehearsals at other events. Now they have changed the timeline of the security guard actually going to his room ahead of the gunfire, and that he pumped 200 bullets through the door before he started shooting at the crowd. It makes me wonder if this was a game he played and never followed through on but when that alarm a few doors down went off and the security guard went up to check it out, he panicked and thought they had caught him and set the tragic sequence of events into motion. We may never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, Sisco said: I think perhaps he had an underlying mental disease state that was triggered by something. He took a long time to plan this including some dress rehearsals at other events. Now they have changed the timeline of the security guard actually going to his room ahead of the gunfire, and that he pumped 200 bullets through the door before he started shooting at the crowd. It makes me wonder if this was a game he played and never followed through on but when that alarm a few doors down went off and the security guard went up to check it out, he panicked and thought they had caught him and set the tragic sequence of events into motion. We may never know. I can't argue with speculation - then again - maybe he planned every detail and executed his plan perfectly... But thinking about what you said about firing 200 rounds through the door, I wondered what it would be like to do tht ina small space like a hotel room and I don't thinkI would be breathing well after- because of the gas and smoke, probably couldn't see or hear well either. I would say that it woudl draw the attention of securityand law enforcement as well. No, I don't think much of what we have been told is anywhere near accurate or true and I don't believe that it would take 72 minutes in Las Vegas to get the cops into the crime scene with the capability and intention of stopping a shooter. Not for a minute... Liberty or death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Armed Eye Doc said: Here are the rare side effects of Valium. They may not happen often, but if it is on the list, it has happened before. It is NOT an SSRI but it can and does mess with the brain. The emphasis is from the poster on my optometrist forum. https://www.drugs.com/sfx/valium-side-effects.htmlIncidence not known Abdominal or stomach pain agitation black, tarry stools blistering, flaking, or peeling of the skin blurred vision changes in patterns and rhythms of speech chills confusion cough dark urine decrease in the frequency of urination decrease in urine volume difficulty in passing urine (dribbling) discouragement dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts fast heartbeat fast or irregular breathing feeling sad or empty feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior feeling that others can hear your thoughts feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there fever headache hyperexcitability increased muscle spasms or tone irritability itching or rash lack of memory of what takes place after a certain event loss of appetite loss of bladder control loss of interest or pleasure lower back or side pain nausea nightmares outbursts of anger painful or difficult urination pale skin restlessness seizures slurred speech sore throat sweating trouble concentrating trouble sleeping trouble speaking ulcers, sores, or white spots in the mouth unpleasant breath odor unusual behavior unusual bleeding or bruising unusual feeling of excitement unusual tiredness or weakness vomiting of blood yellow eyes or skin Doc I got all those things going on and don't even take valium WTF? its the black tarry stools that piss me off....Oh wait I cant piss either Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, jtallen83 said: They keep mentioning diazepam, the little yellow pill (although the blue is better), Mothers little helper from the Beatles song..... This is one of the more tried and true drugs on the market, at least since 1963. Any drug is bound to cause issues for some people but if this drug caused people to commit mass shooting there would be a whole lot more of them. I have a valium prescription for muscle spasms, rarely take it and never during the day as it makes me drowsy but I can tell you first hand it doesn't make me violent and is effective in stopping spasms. There are so many other questionable drugs on the market that have a much greater tie to violence and suicide me thinks this is a red herring meant to discredit those that argue against the hoard of useless drugs pushed on us. From the WHO; " Diazepam is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines needed in a health system." Lots of references from this link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam And the left bitches about the NRA buying politicians, no one ever mentions the phrama groups. They think guns are dangerous in the hands of everyday people maybe they should look into that. They're the also the clan keeping their precious weed from being legal........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, shepp said: And the left bitches about the NRA buying politicians, no one ever mentions the phrama groups. They think guns are dangerous in the hands of everyday people maybe they should look into that. They're the also the clan keeping their precious weed from being legal........ +++++++++++++1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The money in big Pharma is mind boggling. The company I worked for was purchased in the early 2000's for $128 billion. That was twice what Walt Disney Enterprises sold for that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 6 hours ago, jtallen83 said: They keep mentioning diazepam, the little yellow pill (although the blue is better), Mothers little helper from the Beatles song..... This is one of the more tried and true drugs on the market, at least since 1963. Any drug is bound to cause issues for some people but if this drug caused people to commit mass shooting there would be a whole lot more of them. I have a valium prescription for muscle spasms, rarely take it and never during the day as it makes me drowsy but I can tell you first hand it doesn't make me violent and is effective in stopping spasms. There are so many other questionable drugs on the market that have a much greater tie to violence and suicide me thinks this is a red herring meant to discredit those that argue against the hoard of useless drugs pushed on us. From the WHO; " Diazepam is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines needed in a health system." Lots of references from this link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam I have had prescriptions for the little Blue pill for Back issues also , it just put me to sleep when I took it , the wife & some of here friends used to sit around the Boat & drink wine & hit my prescription all the time . That is the only Drug mentioned , doesn't mean he wasn't on something different or at all . I think sometimes , that , we are not meant to understand whats in this POS's mind or what made him want to kill innocent people randomly , just some nut case that took his dreams or nightmares into reality . I think he had help , how much , is yet to be seen , his GF is key to this , but makes me think she is much smarter ( or better trained ) then anyone gives her credit for & knows not to say anything , that is unless they find something that puts her involved . I wouldn't leave North Korea out of this equation , any more then ISIS or the Philippines. Or just a sick MF ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBrien Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 On 10/11/2017 at 2:23 PM, 392heminut said: Nope! If he used the pistol that's in the picture just above his head (pretty likely due to the proximity) there would only be a somewhat small exit wound. I've seen several headshot suicides during my career and the ONLY ones that blew out a large portion of the head was with a 12 ga. shotgun and with a Ruger Redhawk 44 mag and with the 44 mag the guy's brains were right next to his head, nowhere close to being splattered all over the place! The picture looks exactly like I would expect it to look after someone stuck a pistol in their mouth and pulled the trigger. Going on my experience there's no red flags in that picture! My wife worked a suicide a couple of years back where a guy decided to eat 12 ga. bird shot in his front yard. They found skull fragments (approx. 1/2"x1/2") and brain matter on the neighbor's roof, some 100 yards away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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