unforgiven Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 I like that brother Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Newt Gingrich sounds off... Newt Gingrich: After the Florida shootings, here's a practical proposal to protect our children http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/newt-gingrich-after-florida-shootings-heres-practical-proposal-to-protect-our-children.html Wednesday’s tragic attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida is a deeply painful reminder of how much we have failed to honestly confront the problem of school shootings in America. Putting up “Gun-Free Zone” signs is not a solution. It is an act of self-deception. By definition, the determined killers carry their guns past the signs. They are not slowed down for one second by community sentiment. The current strategies of responding to a violent threat by either freezing students in place or accelerating student evacuation both carry seeds of disaster. Freezing the students in place simply sets them up to be killed methodically by a brutal, evil or mentally ill person. Having them flee may lead them to run right into the path of the killer. In “Day of Wrath,” a novel by Bill Forstchen, there is a vivid description of how dangerous our current school policies are in setting up the innocent to be killed. In this stunning depiction of a methodical radical Islamist assault targeting American schools, the moral and intellectual dead-end of the current policies is made clear. America is not going to become gun-free. Firearm-specific bans, such as bans on semi-automatic rifles, won’t have an impact because the majority of mass shootings in the United States are committed with semi-automatic handguns. In fact, the deadliest school shooting in our history, in April 2007 at Virginia Tech, was committed with handguns. Therefore, the danger of evil, insane or politically-religiously motivated people killing the innocent will remain. Mental health-focused “solutions” are incompatible with civil liberties. America is not going to adopt laws to apprehend or restrict every person who might become dangerous. That would trap hundreds or even thousands of innocent people to try to stop the few truly deranged, dangerous people. Each killer’s threat is much more obvious after the killings. After each wave of killings, we wring our hands, say strong words and do little. The fact is, evil people with guns must be stopped by good people with guns. Furthermore, the faster good people can respond, the fewer innocent people will be killed. Every school in America should have several teachers and administrators trained in firearms who are permitted to carry concealed weapons. The number of these “protectors of the innocent” in each school should be determined by the number of students. Agreeing to serve in this role might be encouraged with an appropriate monthly stipend. After all, in Georgia, teachers who agree to serve as coaches are paid stipends ranging from $150 to as much as $400 (and sometimes more for large football programs). Surely, we can afford to provide this type of incentive to people who want to help protect our children. Because these protectors would have concealed weapons and not be in uniform, would-be killers would have no idea who might be capable of ending their threat by ending them. This idea is the same principle behind the Federal Air Marshal Service, which was rapidly expanded after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The marshals provide countervailing force to stop terrorists. Furthermore, because air marshals are unidentifiable (they wear plain clothes and their weapons are concealed), would-be terrorists don’t have a target to attack first. If we are really serious about protecting our children, we must have trained and equipped protectors prepared to handle this type of situation whenever there are school activities. The Parkland school had an armed officer assigned to the campus, but the officer never encountered the shooter and was not able to respond in time. Dramatically increasing the presence of uniformed, visibly-armed security guards, however, might create an environment ill-suited for learning. Instead, teachers and administrators serving as protectors could complement and support the dedicated officer or security personnel who are already serving in many schools. This combination of using uniformed police officers to handle standard school security challenges – while also having responsible adult protectors who are already going to be working in the school prepared to provide additional force in the case of a catastrophic emergency, like a mass shooting – is the most effective and practical way to protect our children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRA Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 BRILLIANT !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 9 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Newt Gingrich sounds off... Newt Gingrich: After the Florida shootings, here's a practical proposal to protect our children http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/newt-gingrich-after-florida-shootings-heres-practical-proposal-to-protect-our-children.html Wednesday’s tragic attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida is a deeply painful reminder of how much we have failed to honestly confront the problem of school shootings in America. Putting up “Gun-Free Zone” signs is not a solution. It is an act of self-deception. By definition, the determined killers carry their guns past the signs. They are not slowed down for one second by community sentiment. The current strategies of responding to a violent threat by either freezing students in place or accelerating student evacuation both carry seeds of disaster. Freezing the students in place simply sets them up to be killed methodically by a brutal, evil or mentally ill person. Having them flee may lead them to run right into the path of the killer. In “Day of Wrath,” a novel by Bill Forstchen, there is a vivid description of how dangerous our current school policies are in setting up the innocent to be killed. In this stunning depiction of a methodical radical Islamist assault targeting American schools, the moral and intellectual dead-end of the current policies is made clear. America is not going to become gun-free. Firearm-specific bans, such as bans on semi-automatic rifles, won’t have an impact because the majority of mass shootings in the United States are committed with semi-automatic handguns. In fact, the deadliest school shooting in our history, in April 2007 at Virginia Tech, was committed with handguns. Therefore, the danger of evil, insane or politically-religiously motivated people killing the innocent will remain. Mental health-focused “solutions” are incompatible with civil liberties. America is not going to adopt laws to apprehend or restrict every person who might become dangerous. That would trap hundreds or even thousands of innocent people to try to stop the few truly deranged, dangerous people. Each killer’s threat is much more obvious after the killings. After each wave of killings, we wring our hands, say strong words and do little. The fact is, evil people with guns must be stopped by good people with guns. Furthermore, the faster good people can respond, the fewer innocent people will be killed. Every school in America should have several teachers and administrators trained in firearms who are permitted to carry concealed weapons. The number of these “protectors of the innocent” in each school should be determined by the number of students. Agreeing to serve in this role might be encouraged with an appropriate monthly stipend. After all, in Georgia, teachers who agree to serve as coaches are paid stipends ranging from $150 to as much as $400 (and sometimes more for large football programs). Surely, we can afford to provide this type of incentive to people who want to help protect our children. Because these protectors would have concealed weapons and not be in uniform, would-be killers would have no idea who might be capable of ending their threat by ending them. This idea is the same principle behind the Federal Air Marshal Service, which was rapidly expanded after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The marshals provide countervailing force to stop terrorists. Furthermore, because air marshals are unidentifiable (they wear plain clothes and their weapons are concealed), would-be terrorists don’t have a target to attack first. If we are really serious about protecting our children, we must have trained and equipped protectors prepared to handle this type of situation whenever there are school activities. The Parkland school had an armed officer assigned to the campus, but the officer never encountered the shooter and was not able to respond in time. Dramatically increasing the presence of uniformed, visibly-armed security guards, however, might create an environment ill-suited for learning. Instead, teachers and administrators serving as protectors could complement and support the dedicated officer or security personnel who are already serving in many schools. This combination of using uniformed police officers to handle standard school security challenges – while also having responsible adult protectors who are already going to be working in the school prepared to provide additional force in the case of a catastrophic emergency, like a mass shooting – is the most effective and practical way to protect our children. 9 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Newt Gingrich sounds off... Newt Gingrich: After the Florida shootings, here's a practical proposal to protect our children http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/newt-gingrich-after-florida-shootings-heres-practical-proposal-to-protect-our-children.html Wednesday’s tragic attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida is a deeply painful reminder of how much we have failed to honestly confront the problem of school shootings in America. Putting up “Gun-Free Zone” signs is not a solution. It is an act of self-deception. By definition, the determined killers carry their guns past the signs. They are not slowed down for one second by community sentiment. The current strategies of responding to a violent threat by either freezing students in place or accelerating student evacuation both carry seeds of disaster. Freezing the students in place simply sets them up to be killed methodically by a brutal, evil or mentally ill person. Having them flee may lead them to run right into the path of the killer. In “Day of Wrath,” a novel by Bill Forstchen, there is a vivid description of how dangerous our current school policies are in setting up the innocent to be killed. In this stunning depiction of a methodical radical Islamist assault targeting American schools, the moral and intellectual dead-end of the current policies is made clear. America is not going to become gun-free. Firearm-specific bans, such as bans on semi-automatic rifles, won’t have an impact because the majority of mass shootings in the United States are committed with semi-automatic handguns. In fact, the deadliest school shooting in our history, in April 2007 at Virginia Tech, was committed with handguns. Therefore, the danger of evil, insane or politically-religiously motivated people killing the innocent will remain. Mental health-focused “solutions” are incompatible with civil liberties. America is not going to adopt laws to apprehend or restrict every person who might become dangerous. That would trap hundreds or even thousands of innocent people to try to stop the few truly deranged, dangerous people. Each killer’s threat is much more obvious after the killings. After each wave of killings, we wring our hands, say strong words and do little. The fact is, evil people with guns must be stopped by good people with guns. Furthermore, the faster good people can respond, the fewer innocent people will be killed. Every school in America should have several teachers and administrators trained in firearms who are permitted to carry concealed weapons. The number of these “protectors of the innocent” in each school should be determined by the number of students. Agreeing to serve in this role might be encouraged with an appropriate monthly stipend. After all, in Georgia, teachers who agree to serve as coaches are paid stipends ranging from $150 to as much as $400 (and sometimes more for large football programs). Surely, we can afford to provide this type of incentive to people who want to help protect our children. Because these protectors would have concealed weapons and not be in uniform, would-be killers would have no idea who might be capable of ending their threat by ending them. This idea is the same principle behind the Federal Air Marshal Service, which was rapidly expanded after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The marshals provide countervailing force to stop terrorists. Furthermore, because air marshals are unidentifiable (they wear plain clothes and their weapons are concealed), would-be terrorists don’t have a target to attack first. If we are really serious about protecting our children, we must have trained and equipped protectors prepared to handle this type of situation whenever there are school activities. The Parkland school had an armed officer assigned to the campus, but the officer never encountered the shooter and was not able to respond in time. Dramatically increasing the presence of uniformed, visibly-armed security guards, however, might create an environment ill-suited for learning. Instead, teachers and administrators serving as protectors could complement and support the dedicated officer or security personnel who are already serving in many schools. This combination of using uniformed police officers to handle standard school security challenges – while also having responsible adult protectors who are already going to be working in the school prepared to provide additional force in the case of a catastrophic emergency, like a mass shooting – is the most effective and practical way to protect our children. Yes and coaches, technical subject teachers and administrators, along with classroom teachers would be employees that could be easily trained. since their classroom duties can be augmented with several periods of alternate duties. There could be a rotational duty plan to encourage not having the same teachers armed every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/florida-teacher-years-gun-violence-post-goes-viral-after-school-shooting.html And here is a MAJOR part of the fix for what needed to be done in the first place. None of us grew up wondering if we were going to be shot in school, nor go to school and kill everyone, but this teacher NAILED IT as far as the "home"part of the equation in this debate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 You have people having kids that shouldn't have kids. It all starts at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 12 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Dramatically increasing the presence of uniformed, visibly-armed security guards, however, might create an environment ill-suited for learning. But getting shot is ! He makes great sense , but that one line is just pure baloney , all anyone has to look at is , as I said before , is Israel , they don't seem to have an issue with armed protectors & are at the top of the best learning schools in the world . Lets face it , too many Libfuk taught teachers in all of our schools & not enough battle hardened ones to go around that would not hesitate to use deadly force when required . You can arm anyone , doesn't mean they will use it when confronted with Bullets flying in their direction . LEO's will not have the same issue, I'm not saying Teachers are cowards , I just don't think they are equipped to handle the situation , some will be , but you will find to many are not . As far as , trying to get any kind of Parent change with the same Libfuk attitude that has been propagated in our society , is equally going to fail . The Mental Heath issue is also a way to stop some of this before it happens , no, not a dragnet to pull in everyone with Mental Health issues , but its not hard to pick out most of the crazy ones that are a threat to society . I worked in Hospitals & had to go into the psych wards , many times in different Hospitals & in Different States , & I didn't stay in a Holiday inn last night & turned into a brain Doctor , but I can tell you which I would not trust with a Firearm or a Knife or even a car for that matter . So a trained Doctor should not have an issue if they are sent in for a Baker act or something like that . I dont think its going to be one thing that will stop these kind of shootings , its going to take a combination of things , a little tweaking here & there . You don't let Convicted Felons to have a firearm , why would you let someone who is going around telling FB or such your going to be a pro School shooter , they need to be looked at & any instruments of destruction should be removed from their ability to use them , Until they are well again , drunk talk or what ever , we owe it to our children & society . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) On 2/15/2018 at 7:44 PM, unforgiven said: How about a program around " you hear something say something" ... Edited February 18, 2018 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Fox news 's, Greg Gutfield's opening monolog , called " Period " was spot on about this whole thing about school shooting . It was just on & no video of it yet that I can find , but will when its available . Edited February 18, 2018 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 This is the video , but they continued after this monolog & the Big guy , the ex bouncer or what ever had a good view also. http://video.foxnews.com/v/5735851881001/?#sp=show-clips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 There is alot of truths in that video. Germ kernels of the needed beginnings of what should be done, but the correct persons need to direct the action of hardening our schools, not persons who are not for protecting the innocent but looking for a "sensible and fuzzy feeling of love will get us together" when fuktards want to kill kids and people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 The solution is go back to honor God in school, discipline the heathens not coodle them, parents go back to taking charge of their kids lives, fathers being fathers not sperm donors. Fire the snowflake teacher and teach real needed subjects in school. Put the church back as center of home not sports, tv, video games, most of all bring discipline back into the homes. ****************** The above is from a poster on the castboolits site, and I have the exact same ideas for the long term solution as far as the person goes. The physical structure still needs to be hardened and protected by security measures. Put them together and only then will we get back to where we were many years ago..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineralman55 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 There are lots of great ideas here, but we will never find a solution to the problem of (thankfully infrequent) mass shootings until we as a society come to grips with reality and develop a backbone. When someone says "I'm gonna kill you" it isn't rhetoric. Believe it. But we don't. Raghead terrorist groups have stated time and again, "We will destroy you" but we don't believe it even when they stride into our midst and detonate a suicide vest, or plow a car into a crowd of people or plant a bomb at a concert. Criminals say "I'm going to become a school shooter" but we don't believe it at Columbine, Newtown or in Florida. These things don't happen in a vacuum, there are always signs. When people publicly say they're going to commit murder then GET THEM THE HELL OFF THE STREET! Ignoring the warning signs is only going to continue the problems. What could have happened, did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Put your tin foil hats , its starting . https://bigleaguepolitics.com/mother-exploited-shooting-survivor-turns-cnn-vip-anti-trump-activist/ https://www.infowars.com/david-hogg-holds-anti-gun-interview-4-hours-before-shooting/ https://www.infowars.com/video-shooting-survivor-says-police-firing-blanks-for-drill-before-rampage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRA Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Tin foil hat or not. I cannot dispel all of it just right on the surface. I've seen too much shlt happen in a lifetime. Get ready though for the "other" nonsense to start. There was a big convening of the victims today in the WH and it was on FOX all day long whining testifying from Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc.,. Appears even the FOX journalists are behind the momentum more this time than ever (I consider all of them centrists to begin with). When racist snotball Juan Williams is the passive one for a change you know something is up. It don't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 It was all hands on deck for the anti 2A's today for sure, same old crap. That and heard on the this week in guns podcast the Outdoor whatever company that owns Federal, Speer, and other ammo makers announced across the board increases in ammo prices. Hope other companies step up and lower theirs to grab market share, go IMI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Ever since the old man at FOX got ran off, things have went straight south. No bullpoopy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 And then there is this.... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22/deputy-assigned-to-florida-school-never-went-in-during-shooting-sheriff-says.html And this http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/22/cnn-scripted-gun-violence-town-hall-debate-questions-says-florida-student-colton-haab We do not need tin foil hats. it is here, in full frontal Monty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 There are only 3 person's I take at face value at FOX news, Hannity, Tucker, and Tomi ((she just says all the right things in the best ways).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 hours ago, bubbas4570 said: There are only 3 person's I take at face value at FOX news, Hannity, Tucker, and Tomi ((she just says all the right things in the best ways).... What, no Diamond and Silk for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRA Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Two of our most disastrous gun control laws signed in to law were singed in by Republicans. CPAC is going for another day and today Trump has his speech. Hopefully we'll be able to get more of an insight in to what's going on in his head right now. This deputy that failed to engage the shooter better have some damn good reasons for his behavior otherwise I say he's as bad as the damn shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/17/2018 at 8:36 AM, unforgiven said: You have people having kids that shouldn't have kids. It all starts at home. And there in lies the problem todays kids for the most part have no social skills and they have spent their lives on the pc, phone tv etc . Compare that to my generation that grew up outside we played every day outside Saturday Morning was cartoons for a couple of hours till mom kicked us OUTSIDE! we played with other kids, we fought , we shared we learned the pecking order, we learned there are winners and loosers, and we learned there is consequences for our actions, we had parents that invested a lot of time on us, we knew movies we NOT real and if you hit the baseball into someones head they got hurt..... we took guns to school and put them in the coat room after school we hunted back home a gun was a tool we were taught if we wanted to use that tool there were rules and that set the course for the rest of our lives.... Have we failed our children? has technology led us down the rabbit hole too far? I walked to school sat down then stood up for the pledge of allegiance with my hand over my heart I grew up knowing the real History of this country I grew up knowing this great country Helped to defeat evil all over the world where are our young Patriots now? People we need to get a grip on this these kids are dead inside they have no joy except for what others think or say about them on social media, they are lied to by the mass media and their teachers do not teach them about this country ......... we need to all look inside our selves and find the answers Guns are not the problem lack of responsibility is and the ever growing world..... we have to figure this out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRA Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just read this moment that Trump is to speak at the NRA convention this year. I don't know if that is good or bad ... ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotwrench Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magwa said: And there in lies the problem todays kids for the most part have no social skills and they have spent their lives on the pc, phone tv etc . Compare that to my generation that grew up outside we played every day outside Saturday Morning was cartoons for a couple of hours till mom kicked us OUTSIDE! we played with other kids, we fought , we shared we learned the pecking order, we learned there are winners and loosers, and we learned there is consequences for our actions, we had parents that invested a lot of time on us, we knew movies we NOT real and if you hit the baseball into someones head they got hurt..... we took guns to school and put them in the coat room after school we hunted back home a gun was a tool we were taught if we wanted to use that tool there were rules and that set the course for the rest of our lives.... Have we failed our children? has technology led us down the rabbit hole too far? I walked to school sat down then stood up for the pledge of allegiance with my hand over my heart I grew up knowing the real History of this country I grew up knowing this great country Helped to defeat evil all over the world where are our young Patriots now? People we need to get a grip on this these kids are dead inside they have no joy except for what others think or say about them on social media, they are lied to by the mass media and their teachers do not teach them about this country ......... we need to all look inside our selves and find the answers Guns are not the problem lack of responsibility is and the ever growing world..... we have to figure this out..... Magwa, you are absolutely right, personal responsibility, that is what we learned at home, in school, and at play. We certainly don't see many of todays teachers or parents setting good examples or leading from the front. Edited February 23, 2018 by Hotwrench spell check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbas4570 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, jtallen83 said: What, no Diamond and Silk for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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