98Z5V Posted February 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 I got an email from FLeaBay today that states they're not for sale there anymore... Maybe they were just talking about that one auction, because I saw it end at $720, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 I'm gonna have a chance to work with one of these coming up very soon. I'll post info once I gather it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Info coming up sooner, rather than later. I needed a gun to put one of these in, so I looked at what I had, instead of building another gun-around-a-trigger. As luck would have it, I've got an 11.5" AR pistol, just sitting around doing nothing. PERFECT CANDIDATE FOR TESTING!!! It's Old-Skool AR Pistol, right here, before any of these fancy "braces" were even invented - so it's getting some minor, modern updates. This is the lead-slinger, right here. 11.5" BCM carbine-gas barrel, BCM BCG, and all the tricks I could throw at it, back in 2011. This is gonna get interesting, men... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 8:13 AM, unforgiven said: Linked 9mm? That's a GO, brother... In this vid, Ian Harrison talks about the specifics, and the manufacturer states to use a heavy buffer - that's covered in this vid. I have some stuff to work out on my side, with the LAW Folder, and it's BCG insert (weighs 62 grams, or 2.187 ounces) - but I'll get it figured out... Linked 9mm, though - no issue, brother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Updated changes made. Tailhook Mod 2, B5 Systems P23 grip in FDE, not Coyote, and a PA red dot and mount. Ready to go for Sunday morning, to see how the trigger test goes. Don't know how long I can keep the trigger, but I'll have it for Sunday to test at least. Oh - it's over 26" long, ass to nose, so none - NONE - of this new "Brace BS" that's being legislated has any affect on this pistol, whatsoever. Read the fine print in that stupid proposal of theirs. Over 26" OAL? Doesn't pertain, not at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 I just wish I could just go buy one for cash w/o a paper trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) So, with the LAW Tactical Gen 2 folder on there, it comes with and extension/insert that goes in the back of the BCG, to take up the additional length/space of the folder. After watching the Ian Harrison/RECOIL vid a few times, Rare Breed recommends a heavy (H3) buffer for operation... He tried it, and had to drop down the buffer weight to get the gun to run. I took notes, about that. I weighed that LAW insert, and it's 62 grams, or 2.18699 oz. Let's call that 2.187 oz, of additional cyclic weight/reciprocating mass, that's been added to the recoil system. Previously, I had an H-weighted buffer in this pistol. So, 3.8oz buffer, plus another 2.187oz is one heavy buffer... 5.987oz. If RECOIL Mag had issues with a 5.4oz buffer, then I predict issues with that setup. I swapped out the H for a standard carbine buffer, 3.0oz. That's still 5.187oz, pretty heavy, when those guys had to go lighter. So, I built 2 more buffers today, just in case. I grabbed 2 standard carbine buffers, opened them up, and substituted some aluminum weights. Took a steel out of one, inserted one aluminum. I'm calling that Carbine Buffer -1. 2 steels out in the other, 2 aluminums in, and I'm calling that Carbine Buffer -2. That's what they'd be, anyway... Standard 3.0oz carbine buffer + 2.187oz (LAW insert) = 5.187oz. C-1 weighs 2.55oz + 2.187oz = 4.737oz. C-2 weighs 2.15oz + 2.187oz = 4.337oz. One of these things should work. I'll take tools with me if they don't, and make a C-3 buffer, all aluminum inserts, and that would leave me with a 3.937oz buffer, as a last resort...That's still slightly over the weight of a 3.8oz H buffer, right there... BUT! The thing ran great with an H buffer before... If none of this works - hand-cut Delrin inserts, at a later date, if I can keep the trigger that long. Sounds like a great day. It's only supposed to be 114* tomorrow... All in the name of Science... Edited June 13, 2021 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 hours ago, 98Z5V said: All in the name of Science... So now you're a Democrat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rsquared said: So now you're a Democrat? Awwwe man! That's cold💣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belt Fed Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 Thems fightin words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Rsquared said: So now you're a Democrat? No if he were a Democrat, he would have said it was settled science without any tests and you are racist if you ask for any information about the conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: No if he were a Democrat, he would have said it was settled science without any tests and you are racist if you ask for any information about the conclusion. Valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Armed Eye Doc said: No if he were a Democrat, he would have said it was settled science without any tests and you are racist if you ask for any information about the conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 @sketch, I'll give you a full report, brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 imab pants down .😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 Go...go...go.... Rare breed in stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 BATF has determined these to be machine guns. Rare Breed has filed a lawsuit in response. They also still have triggers in stock for sale. https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/atf-determines-that-the-rare-breed-frt-15-trigger-is-a-machine-gun/#axzz73fQZNjvu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: BATF has determined these to be machine guns. I read about this a few days ago. I am still not sure that the ATF really did determine them to be machine guns. The Rare Breed's lawyer's reply to the ATF's cease and desist was scathing. My current suspicion was that this happened without enough due process within the ATF to stand up in court. On the other hand... I'm not sure anyone has fought one of these to the end. I'm on the edge of my seat. My personal opinion is that a forced reset trigger can't possibly be a machine gun. One trigger pull; one bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 They have a strong case. The highlight that they have in their corner is an obvious one 23. In other words, ATF may promulgate and enforce rules under this section of the United States Code, but ATF has no authority to change the Code or the Code’s definition of what constitutes a “machinegun”. And that is very true. The whole lawsuit document is very well written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 and I still can't have one in Iowa no matter who wins. Infringe my arse............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Here is a link to the (shorter) initial reply by Rare Breed's lawyers to the ATF's cease and desist letter. This document is only 3 pages to the lawsuit's 64 pages; but appears to cover many of the same points. https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/rare-breed-triggers-response-letter-to-the-atf-cease-and-desist New York State law is pretty murky on the matter. There is a typographical error in the law for starters, and it still specifies "two ore more shots with single pull (of the trigger)". While Rare Breed won't sell them here, I'm not sure they are technically illegal; though I sure wouldn't want to test out the knowledge of the state police on the matter... I'll wait and see how this case works out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 I read all that last night - and they LAID IT OUT... well... First, you're fuckin' with a Lawyer that decided to build a TRIGGER. THEN, that Lawyer asked a couple VERY HIGH UP BATFE people what they thought about his trigger design... Results? LEGIT! GET IT! So, even later, he refined it, and he asked TWO DIFFERENT HIGH-UP PEOPLE IN THE BATFE WHAT THEY THOUGHT... Astounding... SMAAAART motherfucker, right there... They then state... YEAH, That's LEGIT, hard to argue the current LAW ON THE BOOKS ON THAT ONE!... Go for it. This will get Spicy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 I smell executive orders coming. They don’t care about laws or the constitution in the current whitehouse…or even the past ones. The current one straight up told us that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 He's a lawyer. 4 dudes on his side all worked with BATFE, and all were heavily into the FTB or other high-up positions, backing him... I think this one will get real... BUT!!! There are ramifications to BATFE, BIDEN, DOJ... taking this one ON - HEAD ON!!! They don't want this fight. Because of this statement, RIGHT HERE... Paragraph 23 in the suit... 23. In other words, ATF may promulgate and enforce rules under this section of the United States Code, but ATF has no authority to change the Code or the Code’s definition of what constitutes a “machinegun”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) BAM!!! Edited August 17, 2021 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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